365 BB with 2 tail lights

What about the roof spoiler? Doesn't seem to be 365BB either?

 

Early 365bb with later rear valence panel, hence two tail lamps per side. Not original and never came that way. Wheel wells over restored and on and on...Pass, thank you.

 

I think that is the case, maybe rear clip blew off and was repaired with later parts?

Hard to know.

BRADAN is spending all that time smoothing the wheel wells, too.
But actually "rough, casual fibreglass" is correct!
LOL!

 

The 365 and 512 deck lids are very different..and swapping one to another is a big deal. Anything is possible though...

Ah, it's just so hard to resist the "over-restoration" mindset. Nice guys, though...

Yep....and rough it is.

 

This is quite clearly an early 365 rear lid (pre-July/August 1974), as evidenced by the lack of ventilation slats. My RHD car (17977) has the same rear lid. Ferrari changed it during the summer of 1974, presumably having seen lots of overheating.

The fuel cap is not original, and I see seats with headrests which clash with the rear clam shell date. Rear rims certainly not original. What I find intriguing about the rear lights is that they seem to be 365 lights but there's only 2 of them. They certainly are not 512 lights, because they don't have the central reverse/brake lights.

Nico, did you note the serial number of this car? I might have some more info for you.


Onno

 

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Yes, that's the later clam shell.


Onno

 

There were no standard mirrors on the 365, mirrors were installed by dealers (if desired, there were 365BB's without outside mirrors too).

My RHD one has the square mirror which was fitted when the car was new (see below left). Most have the Vitalone mirror, like my LHD one (below right, don't have a good pic of it).


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I love these guys, they barely wash their face in the morning, yet, he knows the vehicle is original...I don't know what is worse...the fact if he is smart and lying, or the fact he is so stupid he assures people he knows, when he clearly doesnt.

Ask him to prove to you the 365bb is a two light car...start with that...

Rare car, still worth a look if you can get it at the right price and correct the mess....imagine, someone restoring it with 2 lights on what you can see is wrong, imagine what is wrong you can't see.

 

While not original- i find the four light set up better looking then the 6 lights.
Just seems to "fit" better.

Don't know what you want to do with the car after you buy it.
If you're looking for a driver to enjoy - might well fit the bill.
Looking for an all original show car - likely not.

 

Its just the reflectors that are missing...

BTW, the original Berlinetta Boxer prototype had two large lights on each side but they were the larger ones..

 

I thought the 365 BB and the early 512s had smooth wheel wells. This car can be corrected quite easy. The rear 9" Cromos are very hard to find. How much is this bad boy?

Geno

 

1.3 million ZAR, $170k at today's exchange rate.

Please bear in mind that South African pricing is a separate market, due to 100% import duty.


Onno

 

Car has been sold, I have just found out.


Onno

 

Correct on the finish. They weren't perfect but they were essentially smooth. Wasn't until later (77 was smooth too) that they went super lumpy then stucco texture in 84.

 

Everything has its price, Nico. Since I left South Africa, my housing and living costs have gone up 3 fold.... and I've got a lot fewer great golf courses around!

So you win some, you lose some.


Onno

 

many years ago, i sat in the very first 365BB press car. it had only 4 tail lamps if memory serves. this car can be identified by the different parts line on the front headlamps and chartreuse green in the interior. im no expert but im pretty darn sure this wasnt that press car.

regards

hf

 

most likely the lights were just removed to make it look like the newer 512...not uncommen.

 

Are you talking about the 1971 prototype? This has only 2 tail lights. This prototype is not the press car, if you mean by press car the very first car that was actually driveable and presented at the 1973 Paris Motor show. That was #17185, believed to be in Japan.

Below the prototype photographed in 2005. In 1971 it didn't have an engine, not sure if it does today.


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yep thats the car... it was featured in numerous official pininfarina/ferrari press photos prior to the 73 paris car. If you are calling it the prototype that’s fine by me.

i didnt check the engine compartment. but the pedals did work and felt like the brakes had pressure through the plumbing? looking down between the seats and the console, i can see the greased up shifter rod running back towards rear bulk head. its odd this car didnt have motor? i may be wrong but its seem much more than a non running mock up as far as i can tell although i didnt inspect it thoroughly. ive only spent a few minutes in it since there were other much more interesting one-off cars to go through… one being the mudulo in the pics you have posted!

thanks for sharing

hf

 

I have never seen the car in person, like you have, and I can only go with what I've read. The story is that it didn't have an engine in 1971. What happened after, I do not know, so it is quite possible that the car is much more than a mockup. I would also love to know the chassis number of this car.

Thanks for the info, it was most interesting to read.

As for press car or no, to me that term indicates a car that is loaned to the press to be driven. I have never seen evidence that this car was.


Onno

 

what s/n is the prototype?

 

never seen a 365BB without one - and i have seen many 365BBs!