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  1. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy Formula 3

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    So the simplest facts are;

    - car stolen circa '89, car arrived Belgium months later in early '90, car invoiced ex USA as worth circa $27k (for a 375 Plus then worth in the millions), car seized and soon released by Belgian authorities to Jacques Swaters and Philippe Lancksweert despite a stolen car flag, car restored as #0394AM despite evidence it was the stolen #0384AM, FBI enquiries, attempts to pay six figures USA to settle stolen car claims with moneys paid to someone representing as an agent who actually pocketed the cash and at least one cheque which was either banked or not, Kleve died and the claimed ownership was transferred to Kristie Kleve-Lawson (KKL - daughter), KKL contacted Chris Gardner (CG)who agreed to find the car, he contracted Joe Ford to lead the investigation and recovery, Joe Ford (OJ) bought (90% ?) stake in car with financing to come from CG, contract to recover incl. mediation in London, UK who never paid a cent (according to OJ), CG supported repatriation of car as far as early 2010s, CG created contract with Jacques Swaters (who had bought Lanksweert out) which afforded him payment or a stake in settling the case, JS estate moves forward with potential sale in 2013 with support from CG, KKL and OJ attempt to block sale through unsuccessful court challenges which effectively torpedo's auction value
    - Post auction court action saw CG claim to own 100% of the so called Ohio contingent (CG, OJ and KKL) funds while also claiming his % of the Belgian contingent (with JS), the judge decided that the Ohio and Belgian contingents should get 50% of proceedings each so that left $8 mm per contingent.
    - Post, post auction court action saw CG claim half of the Ohio payout so that was roughly another $4 mm from Fords payout
    - KKLs payments took up to another half so that left just $2 mm
    - claims from other Kleve relatives sucked up much of the rest

    And of course someone had to pay for the London court action and it would appear that despite claiming to own half of half of the proceeds that Ford had to pay 100% of all of the court costs so its unlikely he earnt a cent.
     
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  3. swift53

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    Tim, brilliant! 13 years resumed in a paragraph. :)
    Thank you.

    Regards, Alberto
     
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  5. WilyB

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    #0384: The gift that keeps on giving. :)
     
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  6. 180 Out

    180 Out Formula Junior

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    A bizarre reply, this, to my 100% correct observation that if Kristi Lawson and Ocean Joe had merely performed the terms to which they agreed in the Heads of Agreement, none of the ensuing events would ever have occurred. Yes, if we want to drill down to the Original Sin in every case we will agree that man is a fallen creature and that there's always plenty of blame to go around. My point is that, whatever may be the objective truth prior to the execution of any given settlement agreement, the agreement itself supersedes and resolves all preexisting disputes. The parties buy their peace, they perform their covenants, and they get on with the rest of their lives. This did not happen with the Heads of Agreement, and there are only two people on Planet Earth who are responsible for this result: Kristi Lawson and Ocean Joe.
     
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  8. mbzgurl

    mbzgurl Karting

    Oct 3, 2010
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    Yes, he is. This time in Milwaukee: Case No. 2017-CV-000867.
    Simultaneously in West Palm Beach, Florida: Case No. 19-10309-EPK

    It's amazing how much hatred Joe has for Chris Gardner. His law degree has afforded him just enough knowledge to manufacture these fraudulent schemes.
    He got away with it once in the Ferrari case, he's doing it again with the Talbot Lago. Joe has no morals nor boundaries and nothing will get in his way to annihilate Chris Gardner. The lies he has told to the magazines, the FBI, the Police, the court and everyone else is riveting and captivating, because, it makes you wonder how this could be possible? So you keep watching to see what the out come will be.
     
  9. GBTR6

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    Seems there's enough misinformation and bad acting, lack of morals, to go around with all involved in this saga.
     
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  10. francisn

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    The Esquire article deserves an Oscar for creative writing :)

    There again - the whole saga would make a great film. Maybe Joe would be better occupied selling the rights.
     
  11. IXLR84FUN

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    Well, MBZgurl is back! I know the old Oceanjoe was real Ferrari drama, so I wonder how far into Joe’s web he’s reeled in the new Ferrari hotshot collector Dr. Richard Workman from the Breakers green in PB. Just the nuisance factor for Joe’s mark,Doc Workman , will be a pay off like Wexner / Bonhams did. I’m sure Doc Workman’s new GTO is already on Joe’s radar as Doc Workman coughs up regularly when the DOJ is looking how that new GTO got paid for with Ohio rumblings still around from that Medicare scam a few years ago. What a quicksand creation for Oceanjoe now in bankruptcy with only one asset, a claim that he owns 90% of someone else’s car! Incredible. What a virus.
     
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  13. Timmmmmmmmmmy

    Timmmmmmmmmmy Formula 3

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    Just a question but by his own legal challenges did not a certain Swiss car dealer claim to own part of the Swaters rights to the car AND all of Joe Fords and Kleve Larsens rights to the car based on paying low six figures to fund the original recovery and how do you profess to know so much about their intimate dealings, are you also a Swiss car dealer or just another of the dozens of people with a bizarre claim to know Ford intimately and love said Swiss auto dealer. Do you also have a 300SL gullwing for sale in Arizona? If not, all good. Just asking.
     
  14. IXLR84FUN

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    Not. Seems you were a bit player, promised a ocean club membership. Most of the intimate dealings I’ve mentioned are , like your own post office court records, in public documents. Ohio cases with Lawsons and the Clarks are out there also. As your own drama is over down under and you’re itching to scratch that Detective genius what’s your take on how Ford funds his prolonged litigation shaking down Ferrari owners while in bankruptcy court, penniless, unemployed and without any assets. Do tell.
     
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  15. mbzgurl

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    Hi Timmmmmmmmmmy,
    How are you? Everything O.K.??? Hopefully, by now Joe has reimbursed you the $55k. Just a question for; Why do you ask about a 300SL Flügeltürer in Arizona? Did you see one for sale?
    Cheers
     
  16. Ocean Joe

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    #4138 Ocean Joe, Jan 11, 2022
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    As you all likely know, 0384AM rests quietly in Les Wexner's fantastic collection.

    And for some closure to the extent that I can, I suggest one do a search at FBI.gov and check out the wanted posters for a Christopher Charles Gardner.

    My info is that Gardner was arrested in Italy (June 26, 2021 Italian news covered it) and placed under house arrest, which he then violated. In December 2021, he was then arrested in Switzerland and spent some time in jail over the Christmas holidays, pending extradition.

    In the event anyone sees Chistopher Charles Gardner at any time, please contact your local police, Interpol, and FBI.

    BTW I think mbzgurl is CG.

    Joe
     

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