Really? Maybe I read it wrong, but I got a much more inherently protective vibe from his posts, i.e. that of boyfriend/lover. I'd be willing to wager... oh, hell... Joe? You put your name out there... please elucidate the connection. Either way, I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for the crescendo! -Tad
Will, Unlike the daily newspapers in this country, the Ferrari Market Letter does not give away its content for free on the Internet. Sorry. I'm a big believer in the concept that information is valuable, and to post it here would dramatically lessen that value. Chris Roush
Would anyone be able to summarize the key facts or new information from this piece? If possible, thanks in advance!
Give FML some business, it's available in on-line format to subscribers, I believe....you don't have to wait for the mail!! Thanks for joining in, Chris.....
I'd like to read the article too, but not necessarily enough to spend $40 for a 6th month subscription which seems to be the least expensive option that is offered. Perhaps an iTunes-like ala carte model could be adopted sometime in the future on an article by article basis? Just a suggestion. >8^) ER
Nice and well written article Chris. Nice shot of original chassis plate. I assume as it would be a clear violation of their stated rules Classsiche has not certified this car as it's original chassis plate is not affixed to it today. Am I correct?
I guess a few people missed this article that was linked much earlier in the thread: A portion of which reads: Pretty obvious from that who is playing the role of OJ here and what his motivations are. >8^) ER
If there's one thing I've learned in dealings with the press, it's that they seldom tell the whole story and frequently get it all wrong. Best to hear it firsthand, particularly since he's been variously reported to be an attorney, an architect and a car broker from Miami...er, Ohio.
I agree that everything in print should be questioned, however the portions of two of OJ's posts match the story supplied in the article and seem to refute some people's speculation here that he's an attorney. Now if you are saying that you don't believe what he's written here then that's an entirely different matter. >8^) ER
announcement about some media coverage that you will want to see. I just do not yet know when to have you tune in to see it . . . yet. I will post when and where tomorrow when I get the info.
It is with a local Cincinnati station but it is for an NPR (National Public Radio) airing so it likely will be national and on their website. I hear they were trying to get Swaters on the show as well. I do not know when it airs, and will post it when I do. It could be today.
From Anamera website: 0384AM was finalized January 25, 1954, it was used as factory team car by Umberto Maglioli and went of the street during the Giro di Sicilia, the car received a different nose shape, Maglioli was leading in the MM until he was retiring at the Futa pass, but in Silverstone Froilan Gonzales won the Daily Express Trophy. Maglioli started in the 1954 Targa Florio and in Le Mans it was a dnf with Paolo Marzotto and Umberto Maglioli. It was sold in 1954 to Kimberly and raced by him in 1955 for a couple of races before being sold to Howard Hively. Sold to atomic scientist Karl Kleve of Cincinatti in 1958. The car burned, the engine was out of the car, a portion of the car was stolen from Kleve in late 1988. Appears in Brussels, Belgium in the hands of Jacques Swaters, though still on Interpols stolen car list. Mysteriously renumbered to 0394AM and then back to 0384AM. Theft and ownership claims now in a Cincinnati Court: Swaters vs. Kleve heir. ... it all is very cloudy .. The car is today with Jacques Swaters. 0394AM was an engine only Image Unavailable, Please Login Gr. Martin
Did Ferrari create a serial number plate for the car when it was restored? If not, is the car still 'eligible' for Ferrari sanctioned events? CH
Well, I just read the FML article. It's coming clear now. In the article on 0384AM it cited Swater's lawyers statements about this 375Am at Maranello - a surprise to even the Ohio judge. Well, I was there. I was in front of everyone when the series of events happened to my surprise. Forget second hand info. It ain't what was written. I should set the record straight on this as the bending of truth with my name assoicated pisses me off. Shame on them. Sorry OJ, I don't want to PM you, no hidden discussions - I am too old for affairs!
Mr. Markelson, By all means, set the record straight. The core issue is should Swaters profit from the theft of someone else's Ferrari, and why was it, while stolen, renumbered to a counterfeit number for ten years? I too read the FML article. I thought it was pretty good based on the limited time and docs they had to pour over. I have some particulars I may add here, or add by a letter to the editor type thing, to help clarify a few points. Plus, more has already happened, and more will soon happen, in the Ohio case. But again, do set things straight since you were there. Joe
The Journal of Ferrari History - Cavallino has a feature story about Galleria Ferrari in it's issue #177 (June/July 2010). Two David Gooley images taken inside the public display at Galleria Ferrari are shown on page 29. Which red 375 Plus Spyder was photogrpahed on display there for that story? CH
There is a written article plus taped interview. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129138503
Sounds like NPR is just getting up to speed on info we have already heard. However, It does sound like a judge is going to make a decision on whether to proceed or dismiss in the next day or so. At that point (if they release his decision) it should have additional info into why the judge decided one way or another. Either way, we might get some new info about the case. Charlie
I heard the NPR blurb this morning on my way to work... It is interesting to me that they are looking at the statute of limitations angle. To my mind, Mr. Swatters may be in difficulty on that approach since the car was purported to be 0394 while in his possession, and that would indicate a conscious attempt on his part to disguise the real identity of the car while the statute of limitations time clock was running.... Seems like he would be on thin ice on that approach. JMHO and I am no lawyer
It should be on adverse property if anything.....From the law perspective.....Swaters would win this case
