Historically I was a potato chrisps man but now addicted to popcorn ! OJ. I appreciate you are "sure" but some answers would help
...observed the eminent lawyer, "I hestitate not to pronounce, that every man who is his own lawyer, has a fool for a client".
Better stick to stories about thousand year olds who live on human blood, giant robots from another galaxy, and dead people who stagger around and eat the living and can't be killed: you know, something the audience can believe in. Although this thread *is* very similar in concept to dead people who stagger around and eat the living and can't be killed.
Haha - calling bull**** on the oracle of the Ferrari collector world takes your charade to an entirely different level. >8^) ER
I saw that you asked that same question earlier. We were making progress in Ohio. We had just filed a motion for Partial Summary Judgment as to the expert document showing Swaters' 1999 documents were forgeries. Plus Haas had held back a Motion for Contempt because Swaters had illegally moved the car from its sequestration at the Ferrari museum, in violation of the April 23, 2010 Status Quo Order. [Ferrai Chat, this thread, p.80, post #1597] So that gave us leverage and a chance to see if settlement was an option. Herb Haas (attorney for Lawson, Ford, Gardner) and Scott Jones (attorney for Swaters) set up a "no attorneys" meeting with Bonhams and Swaters in London for Jan. 4, 2013 to discuss possible settlement. Unbeknownst to me and Lawson at the time, Gardner had already poisoned the Bonhams well. That poison seems to date back to about November of 2012 and is consistent with Gardner's Jan. 18, 2012 vendetta to "finially trash Joey for good." [Ferrai Chat, this thread, p.62, post #1230] I arrived in London ready for the Jan 4, 2013 meet, only to be told by Bonhams that they were unclear as to my involvement with the Ferrari and that I must first reach agreement with Gardner. I was shocked. I informed Bonhams that I and Lawson were co-owners, that Gardner was my financier, and that I would only attend if there were no preconditions. The preconditions were not lifted, thus I did not attend. Instead, I had a great few days at the museums, enjoying London's urban life. The extent of the Gardner misrepresentations to Bonhams is still becoming known. When I returned from London, Haas, Lawson, and I asked to see whatever "offer" was worked out, if any offer was worked out. Gardner rushed back to Ohio and tried to buy Lawson off. Gardner claims he had a check for her. Lawson, like her father, would have nothing to do with Gardner and his betrayal of trust. Lawson was polite and told Gardner to share whatever you havwe with us all. It was not until early March that the infamous "HOA" appeared when Haas received it. The terms were modeled after bullet points I had laid out months earlier. Lawson and I begrudingly signed as Gardner had recked and twisted the process, and we felt this could limit that Gardner damage with a payday in six months. So we signed, agreeing to only stay the Ohio litigation, and on distribution of proceeds, to end Ohio litigation. This was a specific requirment of mine because if there were any hiuccups, I wanted to continue on with the Ohio case where we were strong, and not simply start a new lawsuit suing for breach of a settlement. So, the proper characterization is of Gardner's activities is that Gardner went rogue, self-dealed, poisoned the well. Lawson and I tried to make the best of it, agreeing to the six month payday (i.e. Sept 2013 auction). Gardner had ZERO authorization to negotiate. The HOA proposal came direct as an "offer" from Bonhams to Haas, and to reach agreement, all had to sign. We now believe that Sept 2013 auction was never Bonhams' plan, despite the express Sept 2013 auction provision. If we were in the USA I would hit Bonhams hard for deceptive and unfair business practices and frauid in the inducement as to the HOA. As it stands now, I think the HOA will be declared by the UK or Ohio court to not be a contract, authority to sell will be lacking, and UK juriusdiction will end with that. ALL of the above, as between Lawson, Haas, and myself, is documented by a trail of emails, each and every step of the way. Lawson and I realize we do not yet know the full extent of betrayal, self-dealing, misrepresentation, and fraudulent inducement. Suffice to say we filed a new lawsuit in Ohio alleging civil conspiracy and fraud by Gardner and Swaters, and I think they will lose bigtime (Ford and Lawson v Gardner and Swaters, case A1404305). There is a pending appeal that I expect we will win and our claims reinstated in the first Ohio case (Swaters v Lawson, A1001370) which will be consolidated with case A1404305. Of course all is IMHO but so far, so good, just slow. Stay vigilant. IMHO Yes, Bonhams and Gardner realize that more and more of this story will be posted until justice is done. London and Swiss attorneys are already here, so I post the references to prior posts and prior documents. Media will soon do their thing. Competitors will too. Oh, and just wait until the buyer gets his machine cranked up. This is only the tip of the iceberg. Like I said, you are gonna need more popcorn. Joe * Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
More docs. Put yourself in Lawson's shoes. What Gardner did is unforgiveable. Joe * Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Morning 'Chatters' & 'Fraudsters' This edition is live from the historic Port Hercule. For you Yanks that don't travel or have a passport that's in Monaco. I'm here for the 24th edition of the Monaco Yacht Show. On the hunt for a new toy that can hold one of my Ferrari's while I cruise the World. Oh Timmmmmmy, you live too far south. I am paid on a regular basis in coconuts. This is the most fun Ive had in years. It seems you are taking Ocean Joe way too seriously, must be the mother thing you have in common. Hence you are a dull boy Timmmmmy. Go ahead and do as he says, and post your identity Timmmmmmy. You know mine, I don't hide, look at my profile, love to see yours. I bet your real name doesnt have so many mms . My virtual radio station is funded and I am an official team player on F-Chat. I have a regular purpose now in my retirement. No need for me to do any dirty work, CGs already banked the Kiwis because he thumpted the chump in London, got the car sold and delivered the 375 Plus to Wexner. Hes off spending his money now. His hook exceeded the tinsel strength of the indigents grounded out at Zero in Ohio including the Gin-Blossom Ohio lawyers on the come. When you steal from the bank, you dont get any ice cream. Maybe youre made of something different than that Timmmmmmmy Boy. Want a cheese burger ? Behave yourself . If you still think that I am CG? as if he has the time for this utter non-sense, give me your phone number and I will call you, or better, you call me just for Love Talk . My accent will be a dead give away. Are you also still living with your mother? Its the Joe Fraud club that youve chosen to be in each Post is your membership dues in joining like members that are all non-drivers and non-members of the GGC . As I read in this thread : The natural order is preserved. Losers are still losers. Winners are still winners. Regarding Dog Day hes got some merits certainly more than Joe Fraud aka / The Born Loser Below the new Strand Craft 166 Image Unavailable, Please Login
Thank you Joe for the explanation and I can understand the reason for your shock. What I do not understand is why Gardner/Bonhams/Swaters proceeded without your or Lawsons involvement given it was clearly your Ohio dispute they were settling in the first place. One explanation is that they may have believed they didn't need you but if this was true, why get you to sign the HOA at all ? Gardner aside, Swaters and Bonhams have their own lawyers and they must have reached their decision to ignore you under advise. This is a high profile and a material dispute so you would expect them to be diligent and not act on the instructions of your "financier" Can you alaborate on where Zanotti fits in as again, the eleventh hour payment without your knowledge was another example of unilateral action against you K
If any poster as such gives you any real data in this situation, it will be far to easy to prove him to be full of BS, so he will always keep spouting his hyperbole regarding his own magnificence......... Look all cars are air-cars except the one's that I am selling, one lady owner, only ever driven to the shops and the bingo hall, on dry days LOL. The "aircar" BS ahem statements are almost like usedcar salesman schtick isn't it? And Cheesey, keep the good posts coming..
Strange thing happened, OJ posts some very concise, fact filled posts and tries to answer questions. Try it and we can all be friends. OR DONT, your call...... Yeah I am having OJ's love child I love him so much and he pays me $1 million USD in unmarked $1 bills each time I post along with all of the other Losers, scammers and whats the other term for anyone that ever questions your narrative. The simple truth is that OJ has given a perfectly plausible narrative and I have only found hyperbole in this post, hell OJ could be completely wrong but then nobody else has explained any other perfectly plausible narrative...... Again I ask you to give us something to go on, not UPL, not all fraudsters, give us some meat to chew on. And I will ask nicely, please Max, please give us some realpolitik, some meat, some sizzle..... And one more thing that has had me wondering, which 750 Monza do you own, they are really nice cars, I can only dream of owning one of them. And Dogday, insulting Marcel Massini is akin to visiting the Vatican and asking the pope if is a catholic. IMO. He has made it his lifes work researching Ferraris.
I have to admit I only check this thread because I have mild OCD about not letting any threads in this section go unread....
Not anyone's boat, it's a concept at this stage, the pictures are renderings, it's not built yet. An "airboat" if you will. M
Below is another email showing Gardner's manipulative scramble to undo the damage after the Jan. 4, 2013 London settlement meeting fiasco. In this email you can see Gardner tries to manipulate and wedge Kristi Lawson away from Ford. Kristi Lawson demonstrates what loyalty is - the sine qua non of a great partnership. A few days later Gardner is in Ohio trying to meet only with Kristi face to face, with an alleged check. The meet did not happen. Again, it's called loyalty. Also, I do not believe in ghosts, but I do believe in karma and payback. There have been more than a few extreme coincidences in this stolen Ferrari saga. The day Swaters filed suit in Ohio happens to be a very unique date for one of the parties in the lawsuit. Probability: 1/365. To store important Ohio documents, I wanted to rent a safe deposit box. Ray Lawson suggested a PNC bank near his house, a branch that also was near where the Ferrari had originally been stored and stolen. I asked about the box rentals. There were only two available safety deposit boxes to rent at the Ohio PNC branch. One was #384. I immediately rented it. Probability: ?, I think 1/400x398 = 1/159,200. Finally, there is a lawsuit with criminal overtones now underway in Geneva, Switzerland. This Geneva lawsuit was filed by another Ohio man who was victimized by a Gardner fraud when Gardner sold this man the non-existent Horch (it was really a Delage). Gardner is the Defendant in that lawsuit. The named partner in this lawfirm representing this Ohio victim is a Mr. Keppler. I clicked on Mr Keppler's bio to read up about him, and I thought I saw a ghost. Below you will see what I saw - the pic on the left is Mr. Kleve from his 1998 deposition. On the right, Mr. Keppler. Joe * Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
I also find it interesting that from what I can find, the first person to publicly post Mr. Wexners name is Max V. I am not sure Mr. Wexner will appreciate that....
This information was widely available to anyone with an internet connection and an interest in the subject.
