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3D Printed Fuel Pump Retainer Ring Tool 360/430/575/599/612

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  1. 82elky

    82elky Rookie

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    Turning the fuel pump retainer ring can be difficult without a proper tool. Some people have fabricated their own tool and universal tools are available for relatively cheaply. I designed and 3D printed this one in ABS. It should work on multiple models, using retainer ring part number Ferrari/Maserati part number 181682. This includes Ferrari 360, 430, 575, 599, 612 and Maserati 4200 Coupe/Spyder, Quattroporte/QP5, Granturismo/Grancabrio.
    The 3D file is attached. Change the .TXT extension to .STEP to use. I recommend printing with several layers (my printer defaults to 2 outer layers, I prefer something in the 5-9 layer range). This is not a perfect solution, but can help someone who's got a 3D printer.

    One of the inside slots is wider so it only fits one way on the ring. The square holes for the ratchet are the weak link. Therefore, use two ratchets, both preferably 1/2", on opposite sides. I know torquing the retainer nut is a bit difficult since it does not have a central turning point, but mine has been ok with hand snugging with two ratchets.

    I could print and sell these, but I think there are decent, low cost solutions available commercially without the shipping hassles. I can give these out, if you need one and can come pickup in the Houston/Katy, Texas area.
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  2. kestrou

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    MANY thanks, good sir!

    I don't need one right now, but anybody that owns one of these models and doesn't click "Like" can suck my balls! :D

    Kevin
     
  3. brogenville

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    Nice work sir!
     
  4. flash32

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    Great work
     
  5. fatbillybob

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    I like the idea of a 3D printable depository. Perhaps Rob and have a small section on Fchat dedicated to DIY 3D tools and parts like maybe a radio knob
     
  6. flash32

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    I reported the post so Rob can see it

    But we can just have a thread and then make it a sticky
     
  7. hessank

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  8. fatbillybob

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    that can work too. A 3d thread
     
  9. rob lay

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    We have a fellow Ferrari owner and user @Chewys5 that does 3D printing for a business, I want to get his input as I know very little.

    Seems like a shared repository of 3D plans could be good, would have to include reviews and comments as there can always be quality risks etc.
     
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  10. Chewys5

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    Great job!! A depository of parts would be great for the community. Hopefully the designers can make something for their hardwork. We have over 2000 parts for different makes and models. www.theunobtainium.net. Happy to help anyone we can.
     
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  11. rob lay

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    Yes, just like we don't allow copyrighted images to be posted, we wouldn't allow protected plans.

    How does it all work though? First you have 3D designers scanning protected parts, but I guess that is OK? Has there been any legal precedent set yet where a parts owner tried to go after a 3D printer?

    The other issue is a 3D printer might have done all the work and it should be protected at that point, but then how did the public get their hands on it if the designer didn't intend it to be public?

    My quick take on this is FerrariChat could just repository plans that #1 weren't protected parts from the original manufacturer #2 public domain design files for reuse.
     
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  12. Chewys5

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    We actually pursued legal council before starting our company. We wanted to make sure we knew the ends and outs before getting started. The example I was given was a photograph you pull up on line. Can people copy it once you post it online, yes. Do you have same printer at your house that a professional printing studio has , No. The technology is so new to the public that there is no legal president set (That I currently know of) Can you trademark your parts sure, But once it is out there someone can change a few things and then who is to say it is the same part.
     
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  13. 82elky

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    I agree these 3D models are a bit uncharted territory and there are multiple issues. This tool is pretty clear to categorize though. I took measurements of the retainer ring with calipers, designed a part to fit it, and printed it - It's not a copy of anything or anyone else's work. The IP is mine, and I have provided it here for anyone to use for free. Someone could take my work and sell these too, although I don't see it being big business as there are other low cost, commercially available solutions that work well. I have also offered these for free, although you must come pick it up from me, so it's not a solution for most.

    A single place to get 3D printable parts is a nice idea, but if it is just a single thread where everyone can write comments, it quickly turns into a huge mess with many posts that are not really of any value to the people coming to get files in the future. A locked thread where only the admins can post, but anyone can like, might work better. But that's work for the admins. Making it editable for a few select contributors might work better.
    Another problem is revisions. This is now on revision 9, although somewhat amazingly the first revision worked, and I have made only many small tweaks to this tool. Let's say someone suggest adding holes to this so that a metal turning plate can be bolted to it, or it fits a bit too tight and we want to loosen some dimensions, or I messed up and uploaded a completely wrong file. Some of these changes could be made by whoever is printing them, obviously depending on their capabilities. In any case, I agree to make the changes. Where do I change the file so new users get the latest one, and how do we delete the old version that didn't work, or didn't work well? Again, maybe a locked thread could be edited by the admins or maybe a few contributors.

    Using an external 3D printing site, such as printables.com as suggested by @EastMemphis works, but I do not have plans for that (feel free to call me lazy).
    The easy solution is to make single posts for each part and hope people can find them - This is how things are now. It works, but is not ideal.

    General statement related to 3D printing, I would say that if you have a printer, you really should have the ability to model parts and not just rely on finding models online. It really opens up the capabilities for what you can do with the printer. You end up finding lots of real, actual uses for it, not just making decorations and other junk.
     
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  14. EastMemphis

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    From my experience, that's a bridge too far for most. It's perfectly valid for people to download models from a repository and print them without modification. Look at the tools I've uploaded. Hundreds of downloads by other enthusiasts. They didn't have to even own a set of calipers to print those tools.

    Repositories are a good answer to the versioning problem as the version in the repository represents the latest version the developer has uploaded.

    A link to the repository, rather than an actual model file, is a better way to keep such things in a static thread.
     
  15. brogenville

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    Upload to thingiverse and link here? They handle the storage and legal issues.
     
  16. rob lay

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    I agree, it would be fun to try and I suggest that for anyone with a printer, but like Chewys who does it commercially, takes it to a level amateurs don't have access. He has become an expert with thousands of print runs with designing and printing himself, he uses multiple design tools to get it just right, he has a hired engineering model person who specializes in just that, and he is OK making multiple print runs to get it perfect, because the end result is still profitable as he may sell dozens or hundreds.

    I think most people modeling should just do it for fun, because they aren't going to save money.
     
  17. EastMemphis

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    I don't think this is about money. It's about capability. Besides, I'd stack my skills, tools, and experience up against anyone, amateur or professional and I give my designs away freely.
     
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  18. 066/8

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    I do agree. 3d printing is a technology that lends itself well to hobbyists. Thus I'm convinced that there has to be a substantial number of enthusiasts who will easily match or surpass most commercial printers.

    Having said that: on the very top of the game there are the researchers at universities or those hidden away in the R&D departments of OEMs, T1 suppliers and other organizations of comparable depth. They are typically quite a few steps ahead in terms of capabilities.

    I'm lucky enough to have contacts in this direction; they also print in Titanium, Steel, Aluminium and several different kinds of alloys. Feel free to PM me if you ever have the necessity for something along those lines.
     
  19. duck.co.za

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    Great Idea , possibly for scans as well
     

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