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430 4-1 headers and the noise they make?

Discussion in '360/430' started by Zed82, Sep 13, 2019.

  1. Zed82

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    Since i installed my top speed headers almost two years ago i´ve had issues with the exhaust sound. It was boomy and very noisy then with the stock exhaust and it´s the same now with the Tubi non valved dual muffler exhaust. The car does not sound like a Ferrari on low revs and has a motor boat like sound. A bit like a boxer engine. It sounds better on higher RPM:s but it doesn´t matter when you don´t drive around on high RPM:s all the time. I´ve had several negative comments about the sound and I get a headache from the drone.

    I get the impression that top speed headers sound different compared to other brands who provide 4-1 headers? I heard some cars on youtube with top speed headers and s-line exhaust and I hear that boxer/American V8 noise on low rev in their cars also. My friend has a full IPE exhaust with 4-1 headers but his car is quiet compared to mine even with the valves fully open. His also doesn´t drone.

    Any suggestion to how to remedy this, will Tubi and Capristo headers with 4-2-1 style sound different? Also I would like to hear others chime in with their experience of the 4-1 headers or top speed headers and sound.
     
  2. LorenzoR

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    I have Agency Power headers installed and i have the same sound. Low rpm growl but sounds better at higher rpms. Its not really the sound i want but not sure what else to do
     
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  3. f355spider

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    That appears to be the penalty of the 4-1 versus the oem 4-2-1 designed exhaust manifolds, at least when used with the factory oem or some aftermarket exhausts. I will say that with some others, it can still scream like a banshee, even with 4-1. Check into Kline or S-line.
     
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  4. Zed82

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    I heard the top speed with s-line. Screams on hi revs but sound like an American V8 on low revs.
     
  5. mwstewart

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    I have Capristo 4-2-1 and really miss the power delivery and sound of 4-1. This winter I'm going to sell the Capristo manifolds and go with Supersprint 4-1.
     
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  6. LorenzoR

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    what other exhaust do you have with the cap headers and do you have high pitch sound
     
  7. Dicecal

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    I think that is the trade off. I have AP headers and s-line, it sounds like an old school high pitched F1 car. I would not say at all it has any resemblance to an American V8 at any RPM level. However there is a small drop off in performance under a tiny RPM range in the power band.

    So 4-1 sounds better, 4-2-1 for all you can get out of the engine.
     
  8. Zed82

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    Dont really understand how different people can perceive things differently. Or are AP headers better sounding then TS?
     
  9. bupilot

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    To the OP, same thoughts here with my fabspeed headers. Am also curious if different headers with the same exhaust after the headers produces noticeably different sounds.
     
  10. Dbacr

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    My CS has fabspeed headers, high flow cats and Capristo sound 3 muffler. I get tons of positive comments on the sound. Not a single negative.
    If I’m driving around “normal” mode I get a drone right before each shift. Drive aggressive and it screams. Start up , hammered and idle sounds great. No drone while cruising, as long as I’m not higher range in a gear. 4500 rpms -ish seems to be drone range.
     
  11. gsworld2014

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    I have top speed with stock exhaust and get nothing but compliments on the sound. I think they sold like 6 pairs to people I know just based off the sound of my car.

    Some cars have a different sound then others for some reason. I have a 05 and it sounds different then his 08.. he has since added s line and likes the sound better now.
     
  12. Skidkid

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    Valve timing can change the sound significantly, even with the same exhaust. When you replace belts degree the cams and you will likely hear a pretty significant difference in sound. Kind of makes the hunt for the 'perfect' exhaust a bit of a mute subject until you have degreed your cams.
     
  13. Zed82

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    430?
     
  14. LorenzoR

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    A 360 and a 430 will sound different even with the same set up so we have to be specific which cars were talking about
     
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  15. Skidkid

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    Yep, very different
     
  16. Zed82

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    The 430 has a much deeper tone stock also.
     
  17. Zed82

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    I think the phrase used by my mechanic and the rest of the workshop to describe the sound of the TS headers and stock exhaust was "it sounds like a boat on idle". And it did.

    I´m pretty sure the TS headers are the culprit here. They are not equal length and have a different sound then other 4-1 brands.
     
  18. f355spider

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    If you have an F430, talk to mwstewart and see if he will sell you his Capristo exhaust manifolds :)
     
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  19. benelliwang

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    I have top speed headers without the drone because I have an x-pipe in my exhaust routing. What you need is an x-pipe. An x-pip will get rid of drones in Ferraris, LSx motors, and other cars. Some Exhaust systems has an x-pipe in them, such as S-line and IPE. Other's do not, like Tubi.
     
  20. Zed82

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    As I mentioned earlier I’ve heard TS with S-line and my biggest objection is the low range burble. Sounds a bit like a boxer engine. Check this out.

     
  21. Tubi Sales

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    Drone is created by the resonance during a certain RPM or frequency that is created. Yes, on most cases a X-Pipe will help get rid of the drone but the amount of exhaust talk/crossover defines that. The 430 in general is known to have that throaty V8 sound in the low RPM and screams when you kick it into gear. That's just the personality of the vehicle and how it performs versus a specific exhaust company. Point being that exhausts without an X-Pipe and with a Muffler will not always drone.
     
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  22. BAD430BENZ

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    Get turbos :D
     
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  23. Tubi Sales

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    I can definitely point him in the right direction for that!
     
  24. Zed82

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    Haha no thanks. Might be interested in the Tubi headers though but I’m located in Europe. :)
     
  25. radlu

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    I've heard them all. And I agree with the OP ...... they ALL sound "cheap". (doesn't sound like a Ferrari)
    Nothing sounds as good as OEM.
     

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