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4053 . 250 Lusso Prototype

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  1. stocky

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    #1 stocky, Jun 20, 2016
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    Just thought I would share this. A UK Ferrari owners club member brought out his 250 Lusso prototype today to the North West region concours. He said it was 1 of 4 . Lovely looking motor car. More pics on Twitter if you so wish. @stocky288 . Enjoy !
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    #6 stocky, Jun 20, 2016
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    PS . Many thanks to thepinkumbrella (Paul) for helping me identify this model. What he doesn't know isn't worth knowing !
     
  7. John Vardanian

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    I wonder if this car was built on a different buck than the production. The tail section appears longer. Also, the nose seem to be more upright.

    john
     
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    In the mid 1970's this car was in France in a very sorry state, although I don't have a picture it was reported to be fire damaged. Lovely to see it all back together and looking so splendid.
     
  9. El Wayne

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    And 4053 was yellow originally.

    I doubt the owner would be stupid enough to paint the car in silver colour...
     
  11. cptndon

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    3849 was the Pininfarina prototype
    4053 was the Scaglietti prototype
     
  12. thepinkumbrella

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    It is 4053 GT.

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  13. El Wayne

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    4053GT circa 1962:

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    I wouldn't be surprised. With Paul's unequivocal insistence that this is 4053 (personally verified, I assume?), the owner could very well have restored it according to period photographs of the wrong car!

    By the way, when we collectively saw 4053GT last, it was in Paris and looked like this:

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  14. donv

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    Maybe the owner just thought it looked better in silver?
     
  15. El Wayne

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    Don, it's not just the color. Unless most of us have been misidentifying these two cars for decades (wouldn't be the first time), there are other items restored to match 3849 - the production-style dashboard, split hood scoop vent, etc.
     
  16. Ed Niles

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    #16 Ed Niles, Jun 21, 2016
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    Silver seems to be the predominant color for protos/show cars in those early days. Many pix exist of silver cars on that terrazzo floor at PF. Incidentally, I visited Scaglietti during the Lusso run, and was told that the stamped panels came from Torino, and were assembled in Modena (after sitting outside long enough to acquire the mandatory coat of rust!) They were not all identical, however, as I learned to my regret when I married a LF fender from one wreck to another wreck, and was left with a sneering grill. If you are the custodian of 5073, my apologies; different times.
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    #17 El Wayne, Jun 21, 2016
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    :)

    5073GT in 2003 (burgundy) and 2011 (silver-green). Still sneering after all these years.
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  18. donv

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    What is the difference in dashboards between the cars?
     
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    #19 Aardy, Jun 21, 2016
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    Do we agree this pic is from the same photoshoot than the colour picture posted by Wayne in post #13 ??

    Did 4053 have these bigger rear lights originally ??

    Thanks in advance.
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  20. El Wayne

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    The yellow car (assumed to be 4053 GT) had a SWB Berlinetta-style dashboard with the speedo and tach in front of the driver. The silver car (assumed to be 3849 GT) had the Lusso-style dashboard with speedo/tach positioned in the middle.

    That certainly appears to be the case.

    That I do not know.
     
  21. Birel

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    Assuming the car shown in England is 4053, did they restore it with tachometer and speedo in the centre, or SWB style in front of driver?
     
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    Tach and speedo appear to be in the center now.
     
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    #23 Aardy, Jun 22, 2016
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    Wayne,

    the yellow Berlinetta Lusso at the 1962 Torino Show (4053) had :

    - standard dashboard (instrument cluster in middle), like the production,

    - bigger rear lights than the production (see rear pic on post #19).

    So, if the car on post #1 is really 4053, the dashboard is OK.

    But the current owner is stupid enough to :

    - paint the car in silver (the car was yellow originally),

    - put small rear lights like 3849 (big error as only 3849 had such rear lights !)

    Furthermore, the body of the car today is completely wrong. Looks like a replica !!

    Conclusion : one of the worst restoration I've ever seen !
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  24. donv

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    Notice that in the rusted out picture of 4053 that Wayne posted earlier, it appeared to have 4 tail lights (some configuration it appears to have now). So that choice may have been made earlier.
     
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    #25 El Wayne, Jun 22, 2016
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    Interesting. The source of my notes regarding the SWB-style dashboard in 4053 is information passed down from the older "dinosaurs", some of whom are no longer with us. But close inspection of both of the images below reveal what could very well be center-mounted gauges. This seems especially likely in light of your Turin '62 pics (which are new to me - thank you).
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