412 P #0854 Where this is ?

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Scuderia CC, Feb 12, 2004.

  1. Scuderia CC

    Scuderia CC Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
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    I would like to know where was taken this picture of the Ferrari 412 P #0854 of David Piper. From when it was transformed into spyder cinfiguration. Knowing that to the 1968 1000 km of Paris at Montlhéry it was still in its configuration berlinette of origin.

    Is it with : 500 km East London ZA 1969 or 200 Miles Norisring 1969 ?
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  3. Napolis

    Napolis Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Oct 23, 2002
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    Jim Glickenhaus
    One interesting thing. I've seen a pic of it crash damaged during a race, circa 68 and the Coupe body was fiberglass.
  4. Gilles

    Gilles Karting

    Aug 10, 2003
    South of France
    From my sources, it's Cape Town, South Africa, in November 1968
    Piper, Attwood
  5. P4Replica

    P4Replica Formula 3

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Paul S.
    I think it was taken at the 'Coppa Internationale 3Hr race' at the Killarney circuit near Capetown. 23/11/1968. #0854 retired at this event. Race is one of the Springbok series that David competes in to this day with #0900.
    Remember (Italy) do a nice little 1:43 scale model of it.
  6. P4Replica

    P4Replica Formula 3

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Paul S.
    We concur, Gilles.
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  8. P4Replica

    P4Replica Formula 3

    Nov 4, 2003
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    Paul S.
    Found this little B&W photo from Killarney, 1967 .....
  9. Horsefly

    Horsefly F1 Veteran

    May 14, 2002
    I tend to agree that the photo was taken in South Africa. Utilizing some higher level Ferrari documentation verification software, I have subjected the photo to extreme enhancement and analysis to "bring out" the local insect populus from the visual background clutter. The normally undetectable grasshopper seems certainly to be a South African Bladder Grasshopper which frequents the region. This would certainly lend credence to the photo being taken in South Africa, but this is not conclusive proof. The remote possibility of a genuine Bladder Grasshopper being seen in other countries IS possible, but highly unlikely. But there is still the possibility that even though the grasshopper image on the photograph is indeed REAL, we can not eliminate the possibility that the grasshopper is a REPRODUCTION of an original South African Bladder Grasshopper which could have been planted at the race track location for the purposes of false documention. As of this time, the best we can say with 70 per cent certainty is that the photo was PROBABLY taken in South Africa.
  10. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
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    Sep 18, 2002
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    That has got to be one the the funniest things I've ever read on this sight!!!

    ROTFLMAO You da man Arlie!!

  11. Bryanp

    Bryanp F1 Rookie
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    Aug 13, 2002
    Santa Fe, NM
    Hey - i think Arlie has officially become a bona fide Ferrari Researcher.

    Now if you could just lift up the left wing to get the grasshopper's motore numero interno . . .
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  13. Boudewijn

    Boudewijn Moderator

    May 15, 2003
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    Boudewijn Berkhoff
    Horsefly, this is brilliant!
  14. Scuderia CC

    Scuderia CC Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
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    Thank you at all I had a wave small idea of the place but I wanted more precision. In order to know some still a little more I continue my research and if I find other pictures, I would post them on this forum. If you also you find other pics on this race, do not hesitate with the posted here.

    Best regards.
  15. wax

    wax Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Dirty Harry
    #12 wax, Feb 15, 2004
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    Ah, yes - I've got that software. I tweaked the settings a bit and got a reflection in the bugs eye - sure enough, there's a water buffalo. Further tweaking may produce equally interesting results.
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  16. macca

    macca Formula Junior

    Dec 3, 2003
    That photograph originally appeared on the cover of the December 6th 1968 edition of Autosport magazine in the UK, credited to Brian Smith.

    Oddly enough they didn't mention the local insect life at all...........but they did draw our attention to the thermos flask fixed in the cockpit.

    David Piper's wife Liz presented the winner's awards for the Cape Three Hours, mostly to Paul Hawkins who won in the Gunston P4. The race was started by the winner of a Miss Motor Racing competition which had been held a few days earlier and had been judged by the overseas contingent of drivers at the event.

    0854 had it's centre section and windscreen badly crushed in a pitlane collision a month or two before, and was then converted to a full spyder. It was badly damaged by fire after colliding with Hawkins' P4 at Pietermaritzburg later in the 1968 South African series.


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