430 6 speed faster than F1

Uh, I thought that it isn't physically possible to be faster than the F1 unless you skip the clutch step. Doens't it shift in like .015s? .010 in the F599?

 

It may feel faster because there is more for your brain to do when shifting, vs. some brain "down time" when pulling a paddle. I would be surprised if it were actually faster. Also, do I remember correctly that the stick shift version does not have the same e-diff as the F1? Are the gears the same for both versions? That could explain it also.

best regards,
Jerry

 

Ferrari is on record that the 430 was designed to be driven by F1. The car is faster using F1. BTW unless you got some money in the trade you not only lost speed but money with your manual 430.

 

I have a USA spec 6 speed manual F430 and love it.

I wonder - from an off-the-line acceleration point of view only - whether it is indeed faster than an F1 as the USA spec F1 has No Launch control --

Thoughts?

 

Same e-diff, same gears.

Gary

 

I'd say the 6spd might be a tad bit quicker off the line than the F1 without the LC.

 

I think 6 speeds are holding the same premium as the F1- fewer of them out there...Worth more to the right person.

~Jay

 

Mileage may also be a consideration. Cars perform best with 10-20K miles on the engine (something most Ferrari owners will never get to experience!).

 

I also have a 6-speed and have driven an F1, My honest opinion is that the F1 is faster.

 

how about the weight issue everyone has overlooked ? in a gallardo i have heard the e-gear is 80 kg's heavier than a manual car .

 

I have really enjoyed the F-1....but to complete the whole driving experience for me, the manual tranny completes it. I would seriously doubt that the F-1 is slower.

 

On my F430 Spider F1 I notice alot of lag in full engagement when I floor the accelerator from a standing start - certainly more than a 6 speed would suffer. Rev counter pops to about 2k then the clutch feels fully engaged but that costs me about .9 secs in acceleration. This was in sport mode. Besides activating LC how do I cut this lag down? Thanks.

 

It's about the same for the Ferrari F1 gearbox.

Gary

 

Did the trade at Algar? Both nice cars.

How is the condition of your F1? I may be interested.

 

i have heard ferrari and lambo share the same box for the 430 and the gallardo . any truth as they do feel the same in each car . that would upset the g faithful

 

I don't know for sure, but I've read the same thing.

Gary

 

I'll let you all know my thoughts as soon as I score a ride in one...

 

Ive never driven a 6 speed but Ive driven the F1 and would find it hard to imagine someone manually shifting faster than that

 

NO....it's true!!!!

The F1 pump sits right over the fuel line and on hard acceleration it compresses the line and chokes the engine! Also, the additional weight of the F1-pump slows the car down as well. You'd be surprised how much little things can add-up: I took the windshield wipers off the car and, being more aerodynamic, found an improvement in top-speed AND gas mileage!!!!

...I joke

Same engine, same tranny.....no reason the 6-speed should be faster, but ask the tech's why that is; very interesting!

On another note, I've heard (seriousyl) that while F1 is the premium choice when ordering these cars....it's actually the 6-speed that is generally more sought in the used market and by collectors/enthusiast. Of course, the salespeople who told me this had a lot of 6-speeds for sale, but I doubt they'd put their own interest ahead of telling me the truth!

 

I dont agree its the "same." The ECU acts differently from a human driver. As per my earlier post the ECU generates a lot of clutch lag from a standing start in first unless you use launch mode and significantly affects 0-60 mph times relative to spec. I dont think this effect is unique to my car but if anyone has a different view let me know.

 

On another note, I've heard (seriousyl) that while F1 is the premium choice when ordering these cars....it's actually the 6-speed that is generally more sought in the used market and by collectors/enthusiast. Of course, the salespeople who told me this had a lot of 6-speeds for sale, but I doubt they'd put their own interest ahead of telling me the truth! [/QUOTE]

Our local sales manager also told me this about 360's and he knew I was not in the market for one since I had a 430 coming. He said the older the cars are, the more people were wary of F1 trannys. He went so far to say that on early 360's he would actually pay more for a car with a stick.

On the original subject, I can see where a stick shift car might get a quicker launch than a paddle car from a dead stop, but can't think of why it would be quicker overall other than variation between cars, or driving methods. Perhaps you are subconsciously driving the car a bit harder thus it seems faster. It would take an immensely sensitive driver to tell the weight difference by the seat of the pants.

Dave

 

I don't think it will matter from a roll, I'm sure the F1 would have an advantage off the gun from a rolling start.

But, from a stop I think it depends on the driver - F430 doesn't have Launch Control, so I'm curious to how it's gonna rev up and launch ?!!

 

Does anyone have the actual 0-60,and 0-100 numbers from Ferrari for F1 vs 6 spd on a 430?---it would be interesting to hear Ferrari's perspective on this...