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Discussion in '360/430' started by monacodibaviera, Apr 30, 2015.

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  1. monacodibaviera

    monacodibaviera Karting

    Apr 30, 2015
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    CD
    Hello everyone - first post from me. I live in NYC and have been driving various Porsche Turbos and GT versions over the past few years. Almost pulled the trigger on a 2008 F430 recently but decided to do some more research first.

    I think I've got a good sense for normal operating costs assuming all goes well so I'm not going to ask about brakes, tires and clutch replacement costs.

    But I have a few specific questions:

    - Manifold issue seems to be a common one. Does it make sense to specifically seek out a car that had the manifolds replaced already? Were the replacements more or less reliable or same? Is that really that much of a common problem that I should be concerned about it?

    - Is it a concern when a car has 4-6 owners already? Why do some people keep these cars for less than a year in many cases? Sellers of course say they traded up right away.

    - What's the sweet spot with regards to depreciation / mileage / wear of consumables? I feel like I shouldn't shy away from a car that went through the first clutch replacement and has some mileage - could be cheaper and better than low mileage vehicle that's in half way cycle of clutch and brakes. Thoughts?

    - If I chose a mid teens mileage model over one with let's say 5-7.5k, how much discount should I get in current market and what about resale with 25k on the clock? I'm not worried (that much) about depreciation but not being able to sell at all over certain mileage thresholds.

    - With the 488 around the corner, it becomes the second last model very soon. Is that already priced in? With 458 prices slowly coming down that should affect 430s as well no? has it already?

    Are there any other known issues other than manifolds? Apart from maintaining the clutch and keeping an eye on battery life, this seems to be a pretty durable car from what I'm reading online. Any other major common repairs that could come my way?

    I look forward to some guidance what to watch out for. I understand some of these questions have been addressed in various forms but those cars approach the 6-8 year age range now and I'm curious what the current market looks like and where the pitfalls are.
     
  2. ducsc1k

    ducsc1k Karting

    Jun 8, 2013
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    replacement manifold is common and necessary in my opinion, factor in 5K in addition to the cost. the sound along is intoxicating, you won't need to change anything else exhaust wise, it's just about perfect for the city driving.

    i think f430 market has been stable since last year, buy the best one you can afford has always been my rule i follow.

    owners wise, I think ferrari is a bit different from other brand, it just seems to be normal for a ferrari to have multiple owners. maintenance history is more important to me.

    488 prob won't affect F430 much, just as F430 did nothing to F355, similiar to 991 did nothing to 993, and yes, I skipped 996 on purpose..LOL

    I found F430 to be just reliable as any other well maintained car build within last 10 years. It actually cost less to maintain than my e63...

    good luck hunting, this is actually the best part!!
     
  3. Joe6749

    Joe6749 Karting

    Jan 3, 2015
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    My understanding was that if you hear a rattle or leak in the exhaust, it's time to replace the headers. However, I was recently told by a salesman that under deceleration, if there are any 'chunks' of header coming off, it could be sucked into the engine and cause big problems? Seems to me that even under deceleration, there would be positive outflow in the exhaust. Any comments?
     
  4. evopower1

    evopower1 Rookie

    Jun 12, 2011
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    I'd like to read some answers to the above as I am just about to buy one too!
     
  5. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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    #5 greyboxer, May 2, 2015
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    What makes you both think this question in particular (and op's generally) has never been asked and answered before ?

    There's probably a link in the general sticky at the top plus then a further few dozen 430 threads with 'header' in the title - you could try some of them - and then there's always the threads that mention header in the text not in the title - there's a few of them too
     
  6. monacodibaviera

    monacodibaviera Karting

    Apr 30, 2015
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    You're right and I read tons of stuff about the headers before posting. My specific question, however, was if the replacement actually fixed the issue in the long term. In other words, is the replacement part any different and really solves the issue? I may have missed it but I couldn't find a specific answer to that.

    The reason I'm asking is because I may specifically seek out a car that has "upgraded" headers but this whole thesis could be off if the new parts are the same and essentially subject to the same issue. If it fixes the problem then a low mileage car with original headers may not become my first choice.
     
  7. Red 27

    Red 27 Formula 3

    Feb 2, 2008
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    That is a good question. My 07 F430 had the original set fail at 12K. Have about 11K on my second set, the MK2. I wonder if they will last 20K or 50K.
     
  8. redduke

    redduke Karting

    Apr 19, 2011
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    My Mk I headers failed at 12000 miles. My Mk II headers have done 14000 miles so far.

    You won't see it mentioned much but the E-DIFF control valve seems to be a weak point on these cars. Mine failed at 26000 miles and cost $1667 to replace.
     
  9. RedTaxi

    RedTaxi F1 Rookie
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    Mar 1, 2012
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    Reversion. As one exhaust port exhausts it causes a vacuum on the others. The danger is bits of a failing pre-cat in the header can get sucked back into the cylinder.

    Mk2 headers are meant to be better but if I ever upgrade to a 430, aftermarket stainless steel headers without pre-cats will be high on the list.
     

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