The solution was using OEM scud sensors and magnets plus the correct ABS sensor gap. No need to reprog etc so far today I will test more..... I will try to get the pics of the tood we made and how we tested the ABS gap signals.
SSR- Thanks for the photos. Those wheels and centers are perfect for your car and are orders of magnitude more attractive than any other wheel I have seen on a 360/430. Well done, for sure. Taz Terry Phillips
This is great news n the car looks really good. I am ready to attempt the conversion with my cs. Do u think I will need any special tooling to switch the abs sensors over or are they the same. Did u use the 430ch bells and r there any safety issues with putting the hubs back together after changing the abs sensors
A CS with 19" CL wheels will look mega cool,yes you need the tood to properly align the ABS sensors I will post a pic tomorrow. I used OEM bells (you need to open the center and repeat the angle of the flange. No issues at the moment,since I had to disassemble several times to do all the tests y had to buy new shaft nuts just to be in the safe side.
If you re-read this thread and see my comments you'll see that current thinking is that the 430 Challenge uses the same ABS system from the 360 range of cars, I'm therefore betting that the 430 Ch hubs will just connect and work right out of the box on 360's. Its a lot more work on 430's...
Hmmm not sure about this,I will recommend the use of 360 ABS sensors and magnets. The plastic color difference from the scud (black) to the Challenge (blue) means that the Challenge emits different frequency. But you can try to go direct. I also recommend to use new shaft nuts,they are very cheap and will keep you in the safe side.
This is really very invaluable info. Trev, for the bells if ire call correctly,there is significant weight savings if the 430ch bells are used. What is the final consensus on transplanting these to the cs.? Is it just too expensive to do ? Thanks guys for putting in hands on rnd to make this a workable option!
Thanks for the comment about Taurino Racing assisting you in this matter. But the real credit would go out to Johan and Stefano; Johan, which is a Ferrari Motorsports Master Technician that is employed by Taurino Racing, and Stefano, which is the Master Electronics Engineer for Ferrari back home in Italy. Without the knowledge of these two, this might not have been possible.
Thanks again Andrea for your support,can you please check if I can use in the scud CH center bells to save weight and use my CF discs....
trev,having completed installation of headers to my 360 cs, im revisiting the issue of putting on the 430 challenge centre lock wheels n wondered if you had done it to your 360 yet .particularly interested in knowing if the 430 ch hub carriers with abs sensors/ magnet will work as a direct swop over or if you need to transplant the 360 cs abs sensors and magnet
Ok, here's the update. I now have the information regarding my full centerlock conversion and my 360 boasts fully working center locks. Am I the very first road going 360 to accomplish this? I believe I may be! The 360 conversion is a bit different than the 430 Scuderia and needs different parts. Its easier in some areas' and more complex in others. Here goes; ABS Speed Sensors on 360 1. The ABS speed sensors are NOT an issue on the 360. They 430 Challenge center lock hubs with pre-attached ABS speed sensors work just fine and don't generate any issues when used on a 360 (vs' the Scuderia in which you need to transplant your existing hub sensors). Furthermore swapped over my original rear sensors (just to see how hard it really was) with the ones from my original 5-stud hubs and they fitted and worked without problems so all this about 'custom tools' and difficult alignment I cannot fathom. It just worked. I was careful when I took them off and was careful to put them back on - no issues whatsoever. Split Hub Questions 2. The splitting of the 430 Challenge hubs is NOT a problem. In fact if they are used 430Ch hubs I actively encourage doing this so you can inspect the flange for any wear or bearing damage. The surface should be perfect with no rust, no indentations or marks. If its bad the flange will be scared and the hub belongs in the bin! I also recommend buying some high performance Redline wheel bearing grease and fully removing all the old grease with a solvent then cleaning it up and fully re-greasing them before fitting. Center Bells Questions 3. This conversion will work with the standard CS/430 CCM brakes (it is not compatible with 360/430 steel) but you absolutely need to buy a complete set of x4 REAR center bells from the 430 Challenge car CCM discs. Only the rear center bells will do! The CCM from the front of a Scud/430 are wider by a few mm than on the CS so the offsets are wrong and the caliper physically won't fit once the discs are mounted to the hub. You also absolutely must buy the 430 Challenge specific Hub Nuts 4. You need to buy the original Challenge hub nuts and washers, the original 360 ones are not designed to work with the center lock skf hubs. Make sure you buy the complete set and don't re-use old washers/nuts. These are the things that keep the hub attached to the car. Use a proper torque wrench. Torquing up nuts The workshop states that the nuts should be done up precisely; 1. Hub nuts to 275Nm. 2. Center lock wheel nuts to 330Nm (while wheels off the ground) and then final torque to 550Nm. Tools It can be tricky to find an appropriate socket to fit them up too. The dimensions are a 36mm hex nut but the socket needs to be long reach and shallow walled. The outer diameter cannot be wider than 42mm. All of the 1" sockets I saw where much wider outer diameter so I had a custom socket fabricated by a local engineering company to do this specific job. The original 5-stud hubs actually use smaller 34mm sockets but they have no problems with standard sized impact sockets. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Wow great work now you need to do your custom machined center caps like I did. For the rear I noticed that there is a nut and become loose (inside the hub) and I made a big nut with an allen screw to prevent from becoming loose. Yesterday I installed HRE custom made 20" wheels with MPSC tires I will have pics soon.
Thanks, yes I'm getting carbon ones made up specifically.. Here's the car OFF the jack looks a little better when its not a 4x4... Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Looks much better, amazing infact in the real world. My pictures are crappy in the garage ones and don't do the conversion justice. I'll take it out over the weekend and get some proper photo's. The extra grip from going 1/2" wider rims all around is noticeable and the unsprung weight saving is great. Hub center bells save a good few kilo's and the rims are a couple of kilos less each too. All unsprung weigh savings, its a win win win!
Forgot to add that its important to get a huge torque wrench if your doing this yourself since the central nut needs to be torqued up to a very specific Nm. This is the only nut keeping the wheel onto the hub remember so no cutting corners here!! The hubs are LEFT and RIGHT handed for a reason. Absolutely make sure you fit the correct side to the car because they are REVERSE threaded so they actually tighten during driving in forward gears. Initial torque of 350Nm and then final torque of 550Nm. I purchased a 48" (123cm) length torque wrench 1" Drive. A large impact socket of 80mm in size is required to affix the central nuts. Here's a link to one that I bought; http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/4FT-48-inch-1-DRIVE-TORQUE-WRENCH-140-980-NM-/270674863585
I use 420nm and the car has to be in the air at the moment of using the torque wrench since it is a center lock so you need a friend to push hard the brake pedal. I ha Stawille torque wrench very good expensive $$
