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430 challenge over heating issue

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  1. BRIAN STRIEGOLD

    Jul 18, 2018
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    I have a 430 challenge that over heats after about 4 laps and goes to about 120F. I've replaced the thermostat, head gaskets, checked for cracks, replaced the fluid with water wetter and distilled and still the same. The fans work and seems like i get a little oil in the radiator cap but isn't milky. Please let me know what you think, as i am running out of ideas and could use some advice. Thanks
     
  2. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Why head gaskets? Does car ever sit below 32F? You run water before this started? What happened since the last time the car run right?
     
  3. simonc

    simonc Formula Junior

    Nov 1, 2003
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    Are you running non-standard front wheels? We had a similar problem on a client’s car and we eventually traced the cause to wider front wheels changing the airflow to the cooling system. Changed back to originals and the problem ceased.


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  4. wmuno

    wmuno Formula Junior
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    The heart of the cooling system is the water pump. Did you do any checks or tests to the pump?
     
  5. BRIAN STRIEGOLD

    Jul 18, 2018
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    Stock wheels, i have not tested the water pump.
     
  6. BRIAN STRIEGOLD

    Jul 18, 2018
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    Warm climate. Before I replaced the head gaskets I had oil in the reserve tank and it was milky. Now it's not milky but I still have a reading problem which was the main reason why I thought head a gaskets were needed.
     
  7. windsock

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    Common issue, just replace the radiators.
     
  8. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    do the internals of 430 radiators corrode out and plug up, especially challenge ones run with water and no glycol coolant additive packages?
     
  9. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I have no idea what that means. Reading problem. Every cooling system diagnosis starts with having a system with the ability to run well. That means radiators clean inside and out, assumed good water pump, assumed good Tstat, assumed proper system bleed and fill. Next is a pressure test. If loosing pressure why? Like head gasket leaks? What does a coolant test show...oil in water? Engine oil or tranny oil? doesn't the 430 have a tranny oil/water cooler? Maybe not head gaskets but the tranny oil cooler? If you changed the head gaskets you still have a problem. If you can hold pressure then the problem is Tstat, water pump, radiators. Tstat you can replace or test it. Water pump I have seen fins on impellers missing, pump cavitation, broken plastic impellers and shaft spinning. Radiators get plugged. Freezing can damage them as can internal corrosion especially on race cars running just water with no anti-corrosion additives. Race car radiators tend to be low mile and sit for long periods of time and can be worse inside than a high mile daily driver that's well maintained. And to Windsock's post "Common issue, just replace the radiators" ...sounds like these radiators aren't so robust. That's not surprising for Ferrari just like their tranny oil/water heat exchangers.
     
  10. windsock

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    We support dozens of challlenge cars and the 430 and 360 cars suffer from internal radiator issues enough the we stock several sets.
    This cooling system is a low volume but high speed coolant flow system and even a minor reduction in either radiator results in high temps.
     
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  11. BRIAN STRIEGOLD

    Jul 18, 2018
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    houston
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    Great advice, i Definitely will start with the radiators as I have a pair already extra. I replaced the thermostat a while back do you think it's worthwhile for me to rebuild the water pump? Or just do the radiators? Thanks again
     
  12. windsock

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    We see very few issues with the oil water pumps with the exception of leaking from the weep holes and then we reseal them.
     

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