430 F1 pause/lurch in first gear

Paul,

Does this happen when the car is warmed up (more than a mile)?
Does the gear indicator display 1 when you pull the paddle, but the car just won't move?
What happens if you don't shift to N when you stop... if you leave the car in gear and then accelerate, do you still have this problem?

Frank

 

Paul , sounds like the PIS setting or KISS POINT might need to be adjusted. Seems like the clutch is not catching like it should . The dealer can correct the setting with the SD3 computer. I had a similar experience on a previous Ferrari with 1st gear as I was about to take off and also when I was reversing out of my garage I had to stay in reverese for a good 20 seconds coming out of the garage and when I'd reach the street , reversing on a slight incline it felt like the car didn't have much power to push the car backwards . Probably a simple fix. Keep us posted & good luck.

 

Occasionally the PIS does need to be adjusted or reset. Any service shop with an SD2 or SD3 can take care of it or diagnose any other issue that might be causing it.

 

Second the "p.i.s." adjustment.It will make a HuGe difference in shifting. Then also ...you may be needing a new clutch...
Also if the p.i.s. isnt adjusted properly- the clutch will wear prematurely.

 

pahig, I think what you are describing is normal for a 430. The 430 does not launch out of the hole like other cars. My car from a dead stop takes about 2 seconds and revs to about 2000 rpm before the clutch fully engages and the car really takes off. The service department dorve the car and said that it was normal.
If you have excessive lag and clutch slip you might want service to check it out

 

PIS is point of initial slip. On the 355 F1 it make a huge differense when/if you adjust it.

 

Derek, that doesn't sound normal to me. While my previous 360 did that to some extent, the 430 launches nicely without the revs climbing too much. I would insist with your dealer to have the PIS adjusted correctly.

Cheers
Andy

 

Thats what I was thinking Andy, but I took it into service about 2 weeks ago and they said that everything was normal, including the clutch wear. Maybe I am expecting too much to think it should launch faster from a dead stop.

 

Sounds wrong to me...my 360 did this kind of thing, by my 430 accelerates almost immediately with virtually no pause whatsoever. That said, it was doing a bit of this lurching at the start of a recent problem that I had with loose bleeder screws in the F1 pump...turns out that the F1 system could not maintain adequate pressure and this was causing some flaky gear engagements including a bit of lurching at starts (and a much scarier dropping out of gear at speed).

I only have 100 miles since the repair, but the car is back to perfection. The good news? If it is anything serious, it WILL get worse...

No question that I would take the warranty...especially in light of the fact that it sounds like a problem potentially exists.

 

My 2007 430 does the exact same thing. I am a little over 12,000 miles right now.

The one thing I have noticed is it ONLY seems to happen when I start up the car and hit the road immediately.

I have learned to start the car 10-20 minutes before I leave the driveway or wherever. As long as I do this, the problem (if you want to call it a problem) does not show up.

Yesterday, for example, I had the car detailed. I obviously didn't want to sit there for 20 minutes, so I just started up and took off... had the exact problem, at every stop light, all the way to the office. It just is really hard to get the car going from first gear. Also, I notice a burning smell right as I start moving (likely the clutch cooking)

I really think it is just warm up needed on the car. If I let the car sit for 15+ minutes before driving, I have never had the issue...

Hope this helps.

 

I get that as well when the car is cold but it resolves almost immediately. It only happens when I pull out of the garage but once I'm on the street, it has already resolved. 10-20 minutes sounds like a problem.

 

Do any of you guys have this experience in reverse as well when the car is cold pushing back out onto the street ? Specially if there is a slight incline. Do you get the feeling that the car is not moving as much as it should as you are on the gas? I was experiencing the lag in reverse more so than in the 1st gear mostly when the car was cold as well.

 

I almost always back into my garage so I can't answer that, but I suspect it would be the same. Also, the clutch never fully engages in reverse so that may be contributing to what you're feeling.

 

Ok, this is ridiculous! 15 minute warmup Before driving the car? I have a 2004 360 spider(2 of them) and after the PIS adjustments to 4.5, as Soon as I touch the gas pedal the clutch engages, period. Doesn't matter if I warm it up or not....I do of course like to have it warm up as it only maes sense but I do right after start up pull the car out of the garage into the driveway to warm it up and immediate engagement.

Hope this sheds light on the clutch slippage problem.....adjust the PIS fellas!

D

 

Had the PIS adjusted on my F430 when it was showing the same signs you are describing. It's a quick job done with the SD3.