44775's warranty booklet found here. The price is super nuts, but still--if you have this car, maybe you are looking for the booklet... 0256/83 400 GTi Warranty Book - Chassis #44775
For What my Opinion is Worth: that booklet is for an Euro car; in France, you could find one from the same period, for the same model, for about 150 to 200 euros, already assigned to a car and with "some of the first coupons" missing. A "fully blank" one, i.e, not assigned to any car, with all coupons intact, could be had for, let's say "about 400 to 500" euros. Of course, if, by a chance on one million, you are the owner of said "44775", the equation is completely different. Rgds
Right, which is why I posted it. You should see some of the "documentation reunited with the proper car" threads here on fchat. Sometimes they are downright amazing.
If I were the owner of 44775, I would keep that information to myself during the bidding or negotiations with the seller of that book!
I can understand John, but even if I am not a person pushing for too much regulation usually, I think there should be one allowing the owner of a car to claim any paper belonging to that car. Except if a car has been destroyed, in which case it should be duly printed in the warranty book, I am of the opinion that regulations should forbid the sales of any missing paper from a car that is not destroyed or totalled. Papers belong to the car, period; when found out of a car, they should be returned to the owner, former owner, dealership, last garage stamped on the last coupon, or whomever, but never, ever been sold. The thought that someone could sell papers belonging to a car, that the owner of said car could have been searching the world for these papers for years, and that he could never be aware of that sale, makes me really, really angry... Rgds
Seriously? You mean you think when an owner spends his hard earned money to buy a car and the paperwork that comes with it he doesn't have the right to do what ever he wants with it? Sell it, use it for kindling to light his cigar, whatever. He paid for it, he owns it. You honestly think there should be a regulation that limits what someone can do with his personal possessions? Really?
If he destroys it, I could somewhat consider this all right, in a way... What I think is not "right" is that some owners have been looking for quite somtime for the warranty card of their car which has disapperead somewhere / sometime along the history of the car; and the fact that it may be sold anywhere without them knowing it, that is without them having the chance to find what they would be very happy to find, just doesn't seem fair to me. When it still exists, the paperwork of a car should somehow belong to the car, because it is part of it, don't you agree? It shouldn't be sold separatly without the actual owner knowing it. We know of some persons in France regularly selling warranty cards, some of which having been taken away from existing vehicles by unscrupulous persons for the purpose of muddling the mileage; then cars are sold without the warranty card, supposedly because it has been "lost"; and then, a few months later the original warranty card reappears for sale all by itself, just by miracle. Somehow, I can't find this "right"... Rgds
You are using an extreme example of it being done for essentially fraudulent reasons. Keeping books with the car will never prevent those persons from being dishonest. Also fraudulent sales tactics only account for a small portion of the cases where books become separated from the cars. I happen to be from the school of thought that the car in its entirety and every key, every fob, every paper and every tool that comes with it are the sole property of the person that paid for them. If he chooses to pour gas on it all and light his cigar with it, that is his business. I may not like it but in the over all scheme of things it just isn't that big a deal. Prior to not too many years ago very few ever cared about the books and in my experience of the majority of my life being in the Ferrari business most of the types of items we are speaking of get lost early in the cars life. In the past, to the first owner or two or three it was just a car. Many cars changed hands without any accounting of those items and no one cared. Now when we see a book that can be identified as belonging to a particular car many suggest it should be returned as a gesture of kindness. That's great but where does it stop? When we find a chassis in a barn is every person world wide responsible to return to the finder the parts from that car? If I happen to have the engine am I supposed to return it gratis? In what world is that right? Lets not let our interest in the preservation of the cars and their histories cloud our collective common sense.
No I don't agree even a little bit. What I own I own. It is mine to do with as I please. If I want to sell the paperwork, or wipe my ass with the paperwork, that came with my car that is my prerogative. A regulation or law that would prohibit me from doing what I want with what I paid for? Utter madness!
What you see here is the Texas in Dave.....and the France in Nerofer. But...both points of view are silly. Wiping ass with the car's paperwork...show a little respect in your custodianship of the car. Regulations saying you can't do what you want with the paperwork..that's just dumb and unenforceable. Now. Back to the GOOD thing of reuniting books and records with the proper car.
<laughing> Oh don't get me wrong, I think getting books back with the proper cars is wonderful and I've actually been party to making that happen here. I just think having it be regulated or a law is nutty.
Take three random people in the street, they will necessarily have something to teach me. The qualities of a model serve me, the defects of the other foil, about the third feed my reflection.
If I were the owner of that car I'd acquire one of the aforementioned blank books, fill in the appropriate data for my car and suggest this vulture sod off. Having said this, I have the warranty book for 39155. I will gladly exchange it with the owner of this car for either a blank book or the one belonging to my car, 39577. I suspect they were exchanged when imported.
