$4500 vs $3700 vs $0. The answer is?

the gas guzzzler tax on my 05 430, 06 M5, and 06 ZO6. As an owner of all 3 cars this is a little acknowledged accomplishment for GM. You can argue the other virtues of the cars on a comparative basis all you want, but this is an incredible feat of responsible engineering! The ZO6 won't win the curb appeal contest but I'm convinced it's the quickest and fastest car I own and in terms of cost of ownership the cheapest as well. Flame on....

 

I love it! I want one!

 

Yeah and you bought it off the same lot as some econo box that will likely sell for less than the 30k mile service on the 430, thats why.

Really which car makes you feel better cruising down the fwy?

Having driven quite a few C5Z's, couple vipers, and a 360 spider I know which one I would take in a heart beat and it's not made in america. 360 isn't even in the same league as a viper or Z in terms of the 1320 but it's a hell of a lot more refined, sounds down right amazing, and there is no bliss like the top down haulin azz up the CA coast in a ferrari.

 

You gotta give Dave Hill & his Boys a 10 !!!

Simply amazing Engineering & Performance.I will be Purchasing 1 next year.

 

I wasn't impressed behind the wheel of a C6. While performance was great, the quality and design didn't appeal to me. The seat bottom felt like a cheap mattress.

While Z06 has even higher performance, the low quality and fitment of a vette just don't change.

Vette makes great performance and would be great on street or track. I just want something more than speed. I don't want to spend $80-90k and feel something was a compromise. At that price, I'd opt for a used 996TT instead even if it's tenth of a second slower which means little in my books unless I'm on a track.

 

Could not have said it better myself ......................

 

I give the people at GM, particularly Corvette a lot of credit for the Z06. To me it seems a bit misplaced to make the gas guzzler tax the place to draw the attention to. I guess this goes along into the bang for the buck comparisons. I think it represents a tremendous performance value- perhaps of historic proportions. Rather than the tax comparison, what do you think of how these cars drive and do you have any pictures, and most important, are you looking to adopt a car nut?!


Best regards,
Jerry

 

the answer is that the z06 has a really deep 6th to avoid it. there probably isn't a guzzler tax in europe, so ferrari and bmw don't give a ****.

 

The inside of a Zo6 smells like an HD2500 ExtraCab

 

Just curious, does the Z06 avoid the guzzler tax due to a forced 1st to 4th shift like other Vettes do? If so that takes the sting out of this victory, as Ferrari/BMW could easily use a similar feature if they wanted. That said you could probably drive the Z06 around in 6th gear all day and never know the difference.

 

Has nothin' to do with engineering those cars have such a tall 6th gear there just idling at 70mph(1500 rpm)anyone could do that. Don't get me wrong I think its great they do that. It's to bad they don't get their over weight gas guzzler SUVs to do that. Now that would be some engineering. How about a gas guzzler tax on SUVs and trucks? I bet you would see that market dry up in heartbeat. Of course that would GM and Ford out of business. Why should exotic cars have to pay that tax and not every vehicle that doesn't meet EPA mileage figures.

 

Is my TV on a different channel , or aren't GM and Ford already in major financial trouble?

It's going to take more than this years fad car (Z06) to keep GM's heads above water. GM needs to pull their head out of there a** and figure out how to make better cars that can compete with the stuff from accross the pond.

Their corporate payoffs, and under the table dealings will get them in the end...how do you really think they got around the Guzzler tax?

 

The C6Z does have the CAGS feature (easily disabled & who the HELL Shifts @ 3K ? )

Gas Guzzler Tax is based on M.P.G. Trucks & SUVs are exempt.

Does anyone base their Sports Car purchase on their INTERIOR ??? Seriously.
If my 355 had a Plastic Interior(your words, not mine) i would of still bought it, wouldn't you ?

Vette Bashers : the C6Z is a Great Performing Sports Car !!!
Accept it, it is here to STAY !!!

 

Sorry to break the news to ya but this is the wrong place to say cheap interiors have no basis on purchase. Furthermore I don't think anyone gives two ****s about some tupperware chevy. Yeah it's fast stock, but that high comp motor won't take well to many big mods so getting it up into the 700hp range is going to be mighty difficult.

Woo hoo lets all celebrate, it took them 13 years to finally catch up and they are about to get knocked right back down to the bottom of the list.

btw no matter how much hp it has, will still look like the 100k other regular vettes that are running around.

 

Nah, the 6th gear in my box is only good in the rev range above 120MPH or so, and actually reduces top speed, you have to drop back to 5th the get the whole 164MPH.....(Pontiac Trans Am)..

The zo6 is a nice accomplishment, value wise, and as R&T said about the interior "they spent the money on the hardware"....

But as noted, they won't sell enough zo6s OR Banshees to save the company.
It was on my mind as I tool around here, barely even to hubcaps in my Ferrari, "Have they gone nuts??" with the SUV volume. The answer obviously was the margins involved...

They have the same problem that drove Goodyear Tire to $4/share....the benefits packages are the damage.

They'll eventually take a page from the playbook of Chainsaw Charlie Hurwitz and Pacific Lumber........your benefits are CANCELLED. Ask the old Gulf Oil drilling crews how the Chevron merger went.........

 

Correct on mods, the liner sleeves are flat sided against each other STOCK!

 

I believe the Vette avoids gas guzzler tax because Chevy's fleet average MPG is high enough. In other words, they sell enough Cobalts to offset the Vettes. No Cobalts at BMW or Ferrari! I could be wrong, but I think Vipers don't pay either. My wife looked at the 4500 gas guzzler tax on our sticker and was not pleased. She used to be a liberal!

DAve

 

Boy are you waaaaayyyyy off on that one.

 

Wow! you have an amazing garage.The new Z06 is a truly amazing car. The Corvette has always been a car I have loved. If you dont mind me asking, how is the 06 M5?

 

Um, Yea, I think they Do..... I think one of the many draws to owning a Ferrari is it smells like leather inside many years after it is new.
There was a new Zo6 at CC last weekend and you could smell the "New car" from 10 feet away! That new car smell is actually the plastics in the interiors "outgassing". There was a 4 year old 360 parked a few spaces away and inside it had a nice, warm, friendly smell of leather.
It would have been great to see a nice Alcantera interior as an option in the Z06.

 

Nope. Each car is judged on its own. It is GM's policy of NOT building passenger cars that will recieve a gas guzzler tax.

 

People are typing with their egos and not their brains...Take those interior comments to the Bentley forum guys, this is a sports car forum, it's all about performance! You image guys, go to the plastic surgery forum. Don't worry, Ferrari is still king, it will just cost you close to a million to own it, KING ENZO. But for 75k you walk down to your local Chevy dealer and get the next best thing, it terms of performance of course. I don't plan on selling my 430 but I am going to save myself the humiliation of deferring a challenge by a Zo6. He will not only beat me 0-60 but he will also laugh all the way to the gas station. MY zo6 is getting between 15-17 MPG in town, forget the 1st to 4th crap. Fellow F car owners, resist that urge to upgrade to a later verison of F car unless you are all about image. Intead, do as I suggested above, go to your local Chevy dealer and buy a Zo6, its the American thing to do....

 

No one asked about the stability of the corp. companies!! If they did then your one sided opinion of Ford and GM would have been challenged on why you forgot to mention the health of FIAT, the parent company of Ferrari.

And yes...they did get around the gas tax because they met the requirements to do so...not through your alleged payment scheme!

Grow-up

 

The Z06 is a great car, and it is neat that it's a car with 500hp that pays no gas-guzzler tax, but I will say that if I buy one, one of the first things I'd do to it would be to buy new seats. Recaros, maybe.

The problem is that when you buy an expensive sports car, you shouldn't have to think "Oh all it needs is xxxxx" right off the bat. If I could get a spot on the F430 list right now, there's nothing I can think of that I would want to put on it, excluding maybe wheels if I felt like it. It's like an NSX. Right off the bat you think "It's great but needs a bit of power, maybe that Comptech supercharger would be nice..."

The Ferrari doesn't need anything done to it when you buy it. The Z06, well, I'd replace some of the interior, maybe an exhaust, some headers, etc etc...

 

The c5 Z06 needed new seats but the C6 Z06 doesnt' .

Its a nice evolution of the breed.

You either dig the new Corvette Z06 or you don't.

Not a bad thing to prefer the ferrari exotic even if its performance is not superior...

STatistical test results are not the end all. Sometimes its just how a car makes you feel as you drive it.

Thats not quantifable (sp). It just is...

What would I buy? The corvette but then I'm biased as the owner of a c5 Z06.

Its just an unbelievable performance sports car.....

Quality of the interior be damed...

Its that much fun to drive.

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