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456 / 550 / 575 Cross Reference, Interchangeable Parts Source Thread

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  1. tazandjan

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    #126 tazandjan, Jun 21, 2014
    John- Very handy, thanks. Will have to look and see if they carry the Tyco V23134-B57-X266 that we use as a 30 amp F1 pump relay replacement.
     
  2. Cribbj

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    #127 Cribbj, Jun 21, 2014
    Thanks Taz, I thought the info needed to be in a single post to make it easier for those who are buying a complete set of replacement relays.

    Those high amp F1 relays don't seem to be available in the aftermarket under the Tyco reference. Perhaps BMW and other OEM's have cut a deal with Tyco to protect their marketing rights. It would be interesting to see if some of the other high amp relays like the Cole Hersey's would have the same pinout and would work.
     
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    #128 AKINSB, Jun 21, 2014
    Taz or Cribbj

    Do either of you have similar information for the 1995 456 GT fuse panel?

    Thanks

    Alex
     
  4. tazandjan

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    #129 tazandjan, Jun 22, 2014
    Alex- You mean a diagram or a sheet of actual relay numbers?
     
  5. Cribbj

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    #130 Cribbj, Jun 22, 2014
    Alex, this post: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/143195894-post16.html has the Bosch references for the relays and their location within the 456 GT relay panel.

    There appear to be 4 different types in the 456 relay board, and 2 of those 4 are the same or nearly the same as the 550's relays; for example the fuel pump relays (Bosch 0 332 014 140) and the 2x15a relays (Bosch 0 332 015 013 for the 550, and the 456 uses the "K" version: 0 332 015 006, but it's essentially the same type)

    So it wouldn't take an enterprising owner very long to construct a similar table for the 456, as you'd only have to cross two more Bosch numbers (0 332 014 113 and 0 332 204 101), and someone here on FChat has probably already done it.
     
  6. tazandjan

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    #131 tazandjan, Jun 24, 2014
    Serkan is the expert on rebuilding and testing F1 actuators.

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    #132 166&456, Jul 4, 2014
    Indeed those sensors will only work with Motronic 2.7 so not on the 550.
    On the 456 they might work though.
     
  8. 360modena2003

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    #133 360modena2003, Jul 15, 2014
    The post 96 456 have the 5.2 Motronic
     
  9. bay

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    #134 bay, Jul 15, 2014
    Is a 30 A or a 50 A ?
    Mini-Relay N.O.
     
  10. Cribbj

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    #135 Cribbj, Jul 15, 2014
    The Bosch & Tyco technical data refer to these as 50a relays.

    I wouldn't trust a 30a relay for this circuit, but neither would I have put this circuit on the main fuse/relay board. It really ought to be moved off the board.
     
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    #137 DZ-96, Jul 21, 2014
    Indikator relay (relais) is the same from the Alfa Romeo 166

    Daniel
     
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    #138 mcypert, Aug 13, 2014
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    John Cribb did some research on an alternative thermostat; Stant 13648 (sometimes marketed as a 180F stat, it’s stamped 174F, but check for the 174F stamp as the boxes may vary). Thanks John....

    First pic is John’s measurements of the Stant 13648 vs the Ferrari 183758. (I added the black line under his blue to show where I measure the bypass 100% closed.)

    Second Pic is the Ferrari 226484 (a European 87C variety), Stant 13648 in a 456 housing and the original 183758 (79C), in that order.

    Anyway, as John’s data shows and I can confirm from use, the $18 Stant works fine, in fact, I’d say better than the originals, especially in warmer climes.

    Regards....Mark
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    #140 mcypert, Sep 12, 2014
    That's it.... just check that it's stamped 174F when it arrives... John got one from Amazon that was stamped 190F, which is basically the European spec...
     
  16. tazandjan

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    #141 tazandjan, Sep 12, 2014
    79 C is 174 F.
     
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    #142 rmfurzeland, Sep 14, 2014

    Finally managed to find European source for replacement sensor elements, Saab-Bosch number works fine. I bought 4 so I have 2 spare , new ones if anyone needs them , PM me.
    Ron
     
  18. Cribbj

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    #144 gsjohnson, Nov 13, 2014
    The 550/575 luggage compartment weather seal is over $500 from the dealer. A great substitute is from a 2014 Nissan Altima trunk weather seal. The installation type and the installed height as well as the appearance is identical to the 550/575. It is too long, but you can cut the length to fit, butting the two ends together at the latch. The Nissan Part # is 84830-3TA0C and it lists for $53. It can be found online for around $37.
     
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  20. Laurie738

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    #145 Laurie738, Nov 24, 2014
    Hi,
    I have had a blue manual 456 with tan interior for about a year. I am considering changing the spark plug leads but can only find them at about £850 a set. I believe they are Bosch and wonder if anyone has the Bosch parts number? The Ferrari part numbers are 155788 and 155789.
     
  21. mjh366

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    #146 mjh366, Dec 27, 2014
    Car Guy did a Thread years ago on building your own plug leads. Using his thread I was able to build a set, not to hard of a job. The thread was in the Testarossa section. Around 2007 to 2010 ?
    Good luck
     
  22. henri66

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    #147 henri66, Dec 27, 2014
    This is my thread on my French forum when I rebuilt my 456 heads.
    The spark plugs ref are valid for my MGT


    456M - Changement Des Guides De Soupape - Page 14 - Ferrari 456 - 550 Maranello - 575 M - Ferrarista - Ferrari Owners Only
     
  23. Cribbj

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    #148 Cribbj, Dec 31, 2014
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    Ferrari P/N: 103877

    SKF P/N: 62202-2RS1/C3

    Generically it's a single row, deep groove ball bearing, double sealed, with shaft size of 15mm x OD of 35mm x thickness of 14mm. It's mounted into the rear of the crank and serves as the front support pilot for the main clutch shaft.
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  24. gsjohnson

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    #149 gsjohnson, Dec 31, 2014
    Good info John...especially since I am winding up to do my clutch...
     
  25. Cribbj

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    #150 Cribbj, Dec 31, 2014
    GS thanks, however there's not much money to be saved by sourcing these from an SKF distributor. Ricambi has decent prices on them.

    Daniel does show the flywheel screws to be on "call" status currently, which is always a bit scary....
     
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