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456 idle

Discussion in '456/550/575' started by ethan, May 7, 2007.

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  1. ethan

    ethan Karting

    Feb 23, 2007
    51
    paris
    when i fire up (cold or hot engine) it sometimes runs on a very high idle
    (up to 2000-2500 rpm) for about five minutes, then it settles down
    again to normal and stays there. i fire up, the idle is about at 1500 rpm
    i then touch the accelerator very slightly and it goes up to about 2000 rpm and stays more or less there for about 5 to 8 minutes...

    anybody an idea what's the problem? the accelerator-pedal isnt stuck.
     
  2. SonomaRik

    SonomaRik F1 Veteran

    actually, I've had the opposite lately: low to almost killed idle on cold start. thinking the sensors on a slide...taking it in for oil change this week [get the Mondial out of shop---wax on, was off] so will ask Ferrari about it too. Have seen many threads on this idle issue....

    ALSO, been getting a sort of lurch on cold idle...but, expect that's related...gone on warmup, could be injectors[?] etc.
     
  3. mxstav@comcast.net

    Nov 24, 2005
    211
    Green Oaks, IL
    Full Name:
    Mark Stavropoulos
    The "temporary" high idle could be a sticking Bypass Air Solenoid. Idle speed is regulated by bypassing air around the throttle plates. I have seen this on other cars I have owned.

    I am starting to wonder if my cold, low-idle problem is being caused by the same.

    Hope this helps,

    Mark
     
  4. ethan

    ethan Karting

    Feb 23, 2007
    51
    paris
    and would that bypass also stick when the car is hot? for example when i stop to refuel and start the engine again i often have this problem again for some min.
    also, the first time it occurred was when i restarted the engine after having stalled in reverse. i cant see how this could be related, but maybe im wrong.

    anyway thank you all for your help!
     
  5. mxstav@comcast.net

    Nov 24, 2005
    211
    Green Oaks, IL
    Full Name:
    Mark Stavropoulos
    I think the BPA solenoid could stick at any position at any time. I recall with my old Escort (don't laugh) that it would stick open so that the engine would have a fast idle after driving for a while. I believe the engine strategy was to open the BPA solenoid up during cruise so that when the throttle was closed the BPA solenoid could be used sort of as a dashpot. This would return the car to idle slowly instead of slamming the throttle shut. I assume this would help with emissions. The BPA solenoids would gum up over time and stick. I cleaned mine with Gumout and it cleared up the problem. (Though there was a warning sticker on the solenoid not to use cleaners on it as it would remove some coating on it.)

    Note this was with a 4 cylinder Escort that has one throttle body, not a 12 cylinder Ferrari with two throttle bodies. I don't know how the engine would react if the BPA solenoid on one half the engine was stuck open while the other one was working properly.
     

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