456 manual transmission prices on the rise?

Daniel- As the pros have said, the 456 and the GM derived 4 speed automatic are a very good match. Half the owners bought the 456M with the automatic because it matched their needs.

Moe- No idea where you are going with this, but it has been beaten to death many times. If you like your 6 speed 456M, great, but it is a 2+2 and not on anybody's list of buy and hold as an investment cars, even though they are excellent cars and very attractive. Few, if any, of the late model regular production cars are buy and hold types so far.

There are nearly twice as many 6 speed 456s and 456Ms as there are automatics (2202 vs 1291).

 

huh?

 

time to get a stick, loser.

 

Even though I know guys are trying to be jokey, I think this thread is not heading in a very fruitful or pleasant direction. We should bag it now before someone gets offended.

 

Frowned upon and a loser all in one day,Offended no surprised yes.
I always felt comfortable here now ?.

 

Daniel- Hang in there. I have heard it for years about the F1 cars, but when a three pedal 575M does show up, there is never a huge rush to buy it. Wrong color, wrong options, etc, etc. About the same for 6 speed 456Ms.

 

While It does not really matter. I expect with the 456 , 550 and 575 manuals that also have THE RIGHT COLOR AND OPTIONS will see somewhat increasing prices .These are likely to be the last of the the manual transmission Ferraris (i know there are a few 599s and of course 360s and 430s) . Only time will tell. in the mean time I have a 550 which I really love and plan to keep for a long time...anyway.....
LarryH

 

456 is a cool car. i would get a stick if 456 was on my shopping list at some point.

 

I will, I have been tifosi for 50 years, Are cars are Italian so first it's about beauty
some race, some cruise, some wait in dark rooms waiting to be set free, Mine runs
every day, It has a GM gearbox, electric windows,air con, a radio, disc brakes,
just the same as Enzo last daily driver a 365gtc2+2 AUTO.

 

Daniel- I remember seeing photos of Enzo in his specially modified silver 365 GT4 2+2. Prototype of sorts for the 400 Automatic. There were at least 6 365 GT 2+2s built earlier with GM autos, too.

 

I drive 2 of the 6 every week, One was the New York car show exhibit,
I admire your knowledge, Very little has been written about them.

 

Daniel- Have not been at it as long as you, but I bought my first one, a Dino 246 GT, in 1975. Bound to pick up something along the way.

Never knew anybody who actually owned one, much less two, of those special Ferraris.

 

Moe, Accepted with a good heart, I too have a love for 12 cylinder ferrari's
long may it last for all of us.

 

Yes they are special but not because of their transmission, because they are
Ferrari's, I remember not to long ago when the $400.000 Dino was frowned
upon. If I ever learn how to post Pics I will.

 

Daniel- Look forward to the photos. We can do a tutorial on posting them if you like.

Moe- There are more 6 speeds than automatics because the automatic was not offered until late 1996, MY 97 in the US. As usual, when the 456 came out as a new model in the 1994 timeframe, there was a big surge in demand and they sold like hotcakes. That beefed up the number of 6 speeds, not because of any preference, but because that was all that was available. Ferrari delayed introduction of the GTA to incorporate Motronic 5.2 and, in US models at least, OBDII, mandated for all US cars produced after 1 January 1996. This is the reason there were no 1996 MY 456s in the US. Ferrari kept building MY 95 cars through the end of 1995, all 6 speeds.

Nothing is ever as simple as it first appears.

So:

1) 6 speeds are not rare, 456 GT or 456M. If you look at LHD 456Ms, there were 635 6 speeds and 521 automatics.
2) When both 6 speeds and automatics were produced, demand for each was roughly equal for the entire production run.
3) You can prove anything you want (lie) with statistics, but you have to understand the statistics.
4) For the 456M, the UK had a much higher percentage of automatics vs 6 speeds (139 auto/33 6 speed), likely much higher than the US, but no stats to prove that either way..

 

Terry I am ready any time, I use an iPhone and a PC.

 

Hi Terry....there were at least two 1995 456GT s with automatics..they were built for the Sultan of Dubai...the gear box was the Mercedes derived trannny for the Porsche 928. Without getting into the stick v.auto debate this box works well... I don't know how it will stand up...the previous owner (the Sultan and one other) only put 14,000 miles on the car...we've done almost 3000 in the past 8 months...we love the car...I' m taking down to F1 in Naples in a couple of weeks to have the windows done...will report when we get back....Marc

 

I had mine worked on by F1 they are the best,They turned mine around in
5 days including shipping.

 

Marcel- Had not heard that, but the Sultan had all kinds of custom Ferraris, including cabriolets on models where there were none, automatics, etc. Saw a list on his cars somewhere, but forgot to save it to the hard drive.

Daniel- Attachment 101

After your post is typed, look below and select Manage Attachments. A small window will appear with four open lines at the top with Browse on the right.

Select Browse and search through your photo files on your PC until you find the one you wish to attach (can also be Word doc, PDF doc, etc) and double click on it. The file name will appear in the blank space. Repeat up to three times (4 total). Make sure the photos are not huge (less than 1 Mb) or the system may not be able to resize them for you.

Select Upload and wait until the system uploads the files and they show at the bottom of the small window.

Delete the window and the photos will show at the bottom of your post and you are done.

If you have more than four photos for one thread, repeat for the next four.

Looking forward to your photos.

 

Here we go,Some bloodline both have GM transmission.
Thanks for all the help.
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Didn't know about the special early slushbox 456's - did they work OK? I've never driven an auto 928.

Do you mean the Sultan of Brunei?

 

Dave- Yup, that is what he meant. He had all kinds of custom cars, not just Ferraris, modified for big bucks. Ferrari, Pininfarina, etc would bend over backwards for him because his orders came with essentially blank checks.

He sold a bunch of his cars, and I saw a list somewhere. Will have to look again.

 

Daniel- Great photos, especially of the Queen Mother with the automatic. No reason they could not have built a production version of that car except she was OBE'd by emissions standards, which would have been much tougher for one of the SOHC engines.

 

Yup, great photos! Much as I love my 456 - looking at the interior shot of the 365, I wonder if we've gone forward or not......Oh well, stuck in a time warp, I guess..