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Removing the air delivery body of a 328

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  1. Alfer

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    #1 Alfer, Aug 1, 2014
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    I have to remove the air delivery body to get access for the cooling system tubing. Does anybody know a thread that guids me how to do this OR can tell out of his (or hers...) own experience.

    thanks in advance!
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  2. yelcab

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    Leave it attached to the intake runners. Remove the nuts holding down the intake runners and lift up as a unit. Other things need to be removed as well like the start injector, and the throttle cable, and the large air pipe. Couple of vacuum lines on the other side, etc..
     
  3. yelcab

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    Sorry Manno,

    That was bad advice I gave. I looked at it again and here is what I did.

    Remove large air intake hose
    Remove throttle cable and throttle housing.
    Remove all injector lines to make room
    Remove cold start injector line
    Remove the crank case ventilation hose between 2 heads
    Disconnect a couple vacuum lines left side and underneath the throttle housing
    Modify one of the 13mm wrenches to fit the nuts underneath that box. Then, use it to remove about 10 nuts underneath the box.
    Lift box up, runners stay in

    Reuse gasket on the way back.
     
  4. spirot

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    I would not recommend removing the plenum on it's own. do as the other poster stated and remove in one piece with the intake.

    the injectors come out - I use a needle nose and screwdriver as a fulcum and pop out. but youwill need new o rings to put back in.

    taking the plenum out on its own will require you to un bold from underneeth the plenum - akward at best.

    you will need to remove the banjo bolt - these are sensitive to too much torque.

    IF you do take it off, then you MUST use new gaskets all round and sealant as an air leek here is very likely, and a pain to correct once back on the car.

    BE ware there are small inserts/ spacers on the plenum that you MUST MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT DROP INTO THE INTAKE!!!!!!!!!!!! ... again main reason to not take it off on its own.
     
  5. Iain

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    In order to remove the intakes and the plenum in one its made much easier if you loosen (not remove, just loosen) the 8 nuts that hold bolt the plenum to the intakes. Its very difficult to get off if you don't do this.
     
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    ABSOLUTELY.

    I have taken the plenum off by itself as I cannot get the intakes loose, but the pucker factor is beyond VERY High.
     
  7. Alfer

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    Thanks a lot for the advise. Actually i expected this would be more simple than it now seems. Is therte not a thread about this with ....... a few pics?

    best regards
     
  8. Bell Bloke

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    Hey Alfer, we can do better than pics......
    It's Sunday, just washed Kato the Ferrari....saw your post...thought I'd do a re-edit of an old video.
    Hope it helps ;-)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0o8FMIR0Ek

    All the best, Bell Bloke
     
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    Nobody mentioned the stand off washers that keep the rubber gasket from crushing too much. When lifting off the plenum you need to be very careful that they don't fall out of the gasket and into the intake runners, and possibly into the cylinders. Part number 6 in the diagram shown here. Ferrari 328 (1988) Parts : Table 16 - AIR INTAKE AND MANIFOLDS
     
  10. Alfer

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    Absolutely fantastic, what a great video for my upcomming job!

    Thank you very very much
     
  11. Alfer

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    Bell Bloke, I am now doing the job and seen your video 2 times and will see it again down the road once or twice again. This is the best support i could have got!! Thanks again.
     
  12. Alfer

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    #12 Alfer, Dec 30, 2014
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    I ran into the problem of not getting the throttle cable free of the ball-joint since the M6 (see pic) cannot be removed without very high force. I fear for damaging the cable end when using a pipe wrench. Am I doing something wrong or does anybody have some advise to get the cable out of the ball-joint.

    thanks a lot in advance,
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    It is right handed thread, so regular directions.
    You need to use a pair of vise grip to grip the ball end, or the cable end, then use a small wrench on the nut. Crank away, there is no other way.
     
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    #14 Alfer, Dec 31, 2014
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    Thanks, even this helped since knowing is is a regular right handed thread I dared to use more force whilst i used a small steel bar that fitted inside the ball end. The plenum is removed!
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    Replace those coolant hoses while you can see them. Crank down hard on the hose clamps
     
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    #16 Alfer, Jan 1, 2015
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    The main reason to remove the plenum is to replace the coolant hoses. Whilst accessable i will replace all flexible hoses so also vacuum and oil hoses as well as doing the injectors. I do not know yet if i will install new or have them tested at a Bosch specialist. Below a picture showing that they have some wear with a small undeep groove. Any advice about the injectors is much welcome.

    Happy New Year to all,
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  17. Harry-SZ

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    I have never seen injectors with such a groove, so I am also interested in finding out why this happened

    Nice that the intake plenum has been removed succesfully now.
     
  18. Iain

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    Better yet, have a good look at/think about how you orientate the hose clamps when you put them on so that you can get a flexible nut driver onto them again after you re-install the manifolds and plenum. You will need to tighten them up again & a little bit of thought (and maybe a test fit of the inlet manifolds) will save you hours of grief!
     
  19. thecarreaper

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    Neat thread, but I always change the cooling hoses with the plenum installed. It does help to remove the oil filter. (17 years working on biz jets, and I have small hands!)

    Cool pics, and info on the injectors.
     
  20. Alfer

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    Thanks, I will certainly do that!
     
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    I have seen more serieus worn injectors in other threads on this site but hope to find out what is causing this wear and what effect it will have.

    The injectors are made from steel and have a coat that makes them look like a non-ferrous (like bronze). That might be to protect the injectors against high temperatures whilst when the coat is worn the steel is maybe eaten away by the hot air working as a knife??
     
  22. Brian Harper

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    Intake air temperature should be darn close to ambient air temperature (unless you have a turbo/supercharger).
     
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    New injectors are relatively cheap as long as you buy them as Mercedes parts. I doubt you could have them tested and cleaned and save much money over new ones. If you don't buy the dogma that the new brass injectors are inferior to the old steel injectors, then new is the way to go.

    I would line those wear marks up with the intake runner and figure out what it is hitting or rubbing against. Perhaps you need new bushings? I'm not familiar with the 328 injector holders enough to know, but I would definitely get this sorted out before putting brass injectors in. What wore a groove in steel would probably saw right through brass.
     
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    Thanks Brian,

    You are certainly right about the temperatures, so that is not the issue. Since the plenum including the parts holding the injectors i will check what is causing this. The bushings i will replace as well by the PTFE ones delivered by Ferrari 400 - Home that are longer than the black originals that cost a fortune for whatever reason.

    I have seen the type of wear groove on other pictures as well and this seems commen (for 328 steel injectors). Anyway I hope to learn as much as possible via this thread.

    regards,
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    #25 Alfer, Jan 11, 2015
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    This part of the job is done. I collected the PTFE bushings (including the inner and outer seal rings) my self at Geert-Jan and ordered the injectors in Germany at €24,- each incl VAT excl. shipment. The 23 mm seger rings are very hard to find and reinstalled the originals as they were in perfect condition.

    Of course is the plenum and all other cleaned and seled with a spray wax.
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