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458 Front Lift Failure

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by dinosaurus, Dec 9, 2012.

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  1. dinosaurus

    dinosaurus Rookie

    Nov 12, 2012
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    Hi there, been a lurker in this forum for a while now but this will be my first post. Hopefully someone may have experience with this issue.

    I always activate the suspension lifter on my 458 as I exit my garage, as it's got pretty steep transitions at a couple points that can be troublesome otherwise. Today as I was exiting, I manually deactivated the lift as usual (rather than waiting for it to go down at speed), and was met with a series of beeps and a notification on the left screen that said "Front lift system failure, go to dealer." Unfortunately my dealer is closed on Sundays, which is why I'm here typing this. I will be contacting them when they open tomorrow, however.

    Anyways, always wanting to experiment, when I reached the next stoplight, I pressed the button to activate the lifter, to which the car seemed to respond normally. The notification on the left screen came on as usual saying that the lifter is moving to the up position, and once the light went green and I accelerated past the speed threshold, the lifter deactivated normally and the failure notification was no longer present. When I arrived home, the lifter behaved normally as I re-entered the garage.

    I suppose my question is, while I will be contacting my dealer regardless, could this have been a one time bug, or is there likely a problem still present, but the notification just disappeared?
     
  2. 2k7997tt

    2k7997tt Formula Junior

    Oct 23, 2007
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    Glitch. Could recur. Good idea to have it checked by dealer.
     
  3. mhh

    mhh F1 Veteran

    Feb 16, 2004
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    I had something similar happen a couple of times early in the life of my car. I didn't take it to the dealer and it hasn't happened again in over 20,000km. I would leave it - unless you can take it to the dealer in a failed state, I'm betting he won't know where to start.
     
  4. Hkpooh

    Hkpooh Formula Junior

    Nov 11, 2011
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    you might get the famous saying from dealer.... "looks normal, we can't duplicate it"
     
  5. MarkNC

    MarkNC Formula Junior
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    May 22, 2012
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    Sounds like a glitch.

    I had one with my 458 that scared the hell out of me. I had a "Mannetino failure, go to dealer" and the car wouldn't come out of wet mode. This was shortly after I got it and I'm thinking to myself 'oh crap, is this what I'm in for as a Ferrari owner?'. I parked the car, turned it off, waited 20-30 seconds, and restarted it - everything was fine from then on. This was many months ago and I've never had a single problem with the car since. In fact that was the only problem with the car ever and it seemed to rectify itself.
     
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  6. gilly6993

    gilly6993 F1 Rookie

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    It's like a computer....just needs to be shut down and restarted...
     
  7. travellingbearsva

    Jul 22, 2012
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    For contrast, in FF model there is service campaign 379 for lift system issues. The campaign addressed leaking at filler cap which resulted in low fluid and lift malfunction (so it was real deal not software gremlins).

    Dave
     
  8. tuonoR

    tuonoR Formula Junior

    Apr 22, 2006
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    I had the same problem early on. When I activated the lifter at full steering lock (say you pull out of a garage turning right with the lift on and then lower it while still at full steering lock as you enter the road) I would get the same message. Curious if yours is reproduced under those circumstances.

    Anyway, my solution has been to wait until the steering was straighter before activating or deactivating the lift. Have not seen the message since.
     
  9. HH11

    HH11 F1 Rookie
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    My response to that: o yea, that's funny, it's happened the last 7 times to me!
     
  10. jazztrip

    jazztrip Karting

    Oct 1, 2011
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    Shortly after I got the car this summer I got the message once and also had my steering hard over as you described. I now only activate the lift with the wheels straight(er) and haven't had the message since.
     
  11. Entropy

    Entropy Formula 3
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    Jul 10, 2008
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    purely speculative ideas (we have the lift on 458 and FF, so far no issues)

    1 - it was a transient electrical glitch and self-cleared on restart (reboot). The pump is electrically driven, so perhaps cold start/low voltage?

    2 - it's a hydraulic system - could have low fluid/pressure, or if used infrequently, the valves/pump can be balky and trip a fault (even though it works); once cycled it clears.

    3 - at full lock, the suspension travel is limited, so system cannot fully cycle (up) and/or is mechanically bound beyond the limits and trips a fault
     
  12. dinosaurus

    dinosaurus Rookie

    Nov 12, 2012
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    You know what, that may very well have been it. I usually head out straight at the point where I deactivated it, but this time was making a sharp left as it lowered. Glad to hear I'm not the only one to have experienced this. Will just make a mental note to only toggle when the steering is relatively straight.
     
  13. jacinto jardine

    jacinto jardine Formula Junior

    Jan 16, 2011
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    This happened to me, Manettino Failure upon re-starting it up after driving it for 45 minutes.

    I parked it and waited about a minute then turned the key to the second position , waited 10 seconds for the system to cycle through and then press Start. No problems and no message on the TFT. Any gremlins cleared itself.

    Never rush the start sequence.


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  14. dr.sb

    dr.sb Formula Junior

    Aug 19, 2011
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    Interesting thread. With my 458 with lifter due soon, very useful information here. Thanks
     
  15. SUBCESS

    SUBCESS Rookie

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    had the same thing happen to my 2011 458...multiple times...in cold weather only...Seattle and in Walla Walla Wa last year during winter barrel tasting...temp outside was 28 degrees...once car warmed up (5 minutes) lift released and car went back down with failure warning gone...only able to duplicate it in cold weather..car in AZ last summer and no issues with lift......hope this helps
     
  16. 458SG

    458SG Rookie

    Oct 17, 2021
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    I literally just had exactly the same warning (and reaction) last night. Cleared itself, on next restart.
     
  17. stretchgeneral

    stretchgeneral Formula 3
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    Like others have said, my 2011 458 would give me that message. I think it has happened twice in 20,000 miles. I turned it off, waiting and started car again, no fault message and lift was fine.
     
  18. pnd4pnd

    pnd4pnd Karting
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    This happened to me today. Car had been sitting for 3-4 months and its chilly (at least for the bay area here). Error caused a bit of panic for me but after reading this thread, moved the car a bit and the lift worked fine and the error message is gone. These cars have a way of scaring us !
     
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  19. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    Lift the suspension and measure the distance to both front wings from flat ground, should be the same but might indicate something if they are different.
     
  20. Boiler Inspector

    Boiler Inspector Formula Junior

    Oct 14, 2017
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    bro, the OP's post was 10 years ago.
     
  21. mike32

    mike32 F1 Veteran

    May 13, 2016
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    I hope he has got it fixed by now then, getting too old for this modern technology
     

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