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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by erosmwn34, May 19, 2019.

  1. WestCoasta

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    Who are you talking to exactly?

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  2. willcrook

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    just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are some fanboy who drives a cheap car.

    here in the UK 458's (non-specs) have actually been rising in value over the last year or so and 488's have been dropping in value. - I'm not saying they're going to plummet but 458's seem to have hit the end of their depreciation curve whereas 488's haven't.

    if you prefer the sound of your 488 than your spec then fine but many others don't!
     
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  3. veilstylez

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    A 488 sounding better than a NA v8 is the most "Im in denial" thing I've ever heard hahaha. Every time I hear a 488 drive by Im like ugh where is the sound?...its there at low RPM's but theres no actual scream. Im actually at 9k RPM all the time every chance I get . ehh some people care about sound some don't....sound is important to me so NA for me, otherwise I would have got a 488 why not its faster and newer.

    Anyways, yeah I would either change it up to like a V12 or like someone said sell the 488 and get a 458 and get a new F8. Orrrrrrrr add a scud/cs
     
  4. LVP488

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    It all depends on what one is looking for.
    To me a 458 is very similar to a 488, it's just more noisy and painfully less powerfull.
    If the choice is between keeping the 488 and adding another car, or replacing the 488 by an F8, I would certainly not chose a 458 to complement the 488 in case of keeping it.
    When I decided against the Pista (which would have replaced my 488 GTB) I chosed something radically different and added a Caterham to my "fleet".
    In the end I will replace the 488 by an F8 (that I should get in Q2 2020), but I know in terms of value for money it's not the most sensible decision - the F8 is a mild upgrade over the 488, it's just that I sometimes fall for the latest iteration (I believe in progress ;)
    And I'll probably also keep the Caterham.
     
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  5. Coincid

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    Do not comprehend the logic of having the 488 and F8 when the latter will surely be superior in many ways, similar in some and inferior in none.
     
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  6. humdizzle

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    Lol insecure ferrari owner alert. Really?

    Im just stating my opinions. I don't think a 488 is worth the depreciation. I also don't like twin turbo setups for my weekend fun car. Id take a gt3 over a 911 turbo 10/10 times. Even if it's got less power. There are just as many who agree with me as well as disagree.

    I've talked to people that have had both and the basic feeling was that the 488 was more refined and easier to live with. But it felt more Aston Martin than Ferrari.

    Not completely opposed to tt setups. I have an f80 m3 as well. Torque is nice I just prefer the razor sharp throttle in my weekend supercar.
     
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  7. dmark1

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    Laughable, you are at 9000 rpm all the time.

    Where, what gear?
     
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    Don’t know about values in UK but as to depreciation curve..... Of course the 488 is still depreciating..... they are newer! Obviously.
     
  9. veilstylez

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    meaning I hit redline at 9000 rpm every chance I get, freeways, freeway on ramps, tunnels, stop lights. 1-4 gears, especially 1st and 2nd gear. I don't drive fast tho...Im not about going 130 on the freeway but im about going up the gears hitting redline shifts till I get to 80-90 on freeways and up to 2nd gear on streets where its safe to do so. I have IPE's with straight pipe on my car so I'm up on the rev's more often than most. High rpm's is where the F1 sound comes in on the 458. And when you change gears at 9000rpm the sound of the gear change is almost like a FXX-K but I think you only get this with loud straight piped cars.
     
  10. Coincid

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    I started a Ferrari Depreciation Fund a few months ago by buying RACE stock at $108. Closed on Friday at $144. Up over $144000. This investment is relegated exclusively as my car fund and will be used when a car is traded in for a new one.
     
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    Now THATS the way to buy a car! Congrats!
     
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  12. plastique999

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    It’s all in how you drive and what you enjoy. It’s just my opinion. My comment was to state that I absolutely love sound and exhaust note on my cars. So yes I reel it out to 8k to “hear” the exhaust note on my Speciale.
    My Perf had amazing torque “feel” and felt significantly “faster”. But fast for me is overrated. I don’t enjoy torque as much as exhaust note. But that’s just me.


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  13. plastique999

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    Totally agree 100%!
    Coincidentally, my Speciale is the same setup with IPE headers, cats and exhaust - wakes up the car significantly!


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    The symphony the 458 creates does not live solely at 8000 RPM. It starts at around 3000 RPM. I find myself not using anything close to the torque potential so that I can make the song from 3000 and up last longer. The quicker I get to a high RPM the shorter the symphony so why not enjoy the extended version. For years I researched the models hoping to find something that would satisfy all my requirements. The day I listened to a 458 it was game over. There simply was nothing like it and to this day it remains the greatest sounding car to me. I wouldn’t trade that sound for all the tenths of a second in the world.
    There will always be a faster model on the horizon for a manufacturer. So, if being the quickest is your thing you are doomed as soon as you lay your money down. But if you want a machine that ignites all the senses then perhaps the 458 is just what you need.
     
  15. Coincid

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    I like all three - Torgue, speed with a mellifluous engine note as only a NA can offer from low rpm until redline which elevates the sensation of going fast.
     
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    #41 Lukeylikey, May 28, 2019
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    The 488 is absolutely nothing like an Aston Martin. An Aston is big, brutish, front engined and not really subtle in its handling. The 488 is very finessed in the way it handles. To say the 488 is like a GT car is totally missing the point and probably means you have not had the chance to totally wring its neck yet. When fully leaning into the car’s grip reserves around quiet fast roads the 488 is wonderful. And better by far than the standard 458. Its handling feels much more like the Speciale and has more than a touch of that car’s magic. It is fun when driven at any speed and can be quietened when on a long motorway/freeway. Its biggest flaw is that it doesn’t fully rev out always, but perhaps its biggest asset is that TT motor which combines turbo mid range torque (and if you say you don’t like that I don’t believe you like driving) with instant throttle response and no detectable lag. No one else has managed to achieve that so well.

    A Ferrari is of course about sound, but not only. An Aston, in fact, sounds magnificent and has great beauty and power. They are just a bit uninspiring in the handling stakes. This is not Ferrari. For them there is little value to the sound if the car does not go well. In fact the sound is supposed to stir your soul to go faster, where the 458 does that but is ultimately not so fast and the 488 is much faster with enough sonic ability to keep you more than interested in doing just that - two different flavours, equally worthy and I don’t believe the person that chooses either one deserves criticism. Ironically it is the 458 that is closer to the Aston DNA than the 488 (even though this is still a very poor comparison) because the 458 looks great, sounds great but doesn’t quite have the same handling spark as the 488, which doesn’t look quite as nice nor sound quite as nice as the 458 but is so rewarding around the twisties. But we’re talking margins here. No doubt it is understandable why some prefer the blend of abilities the 458 has but it’s not a clear cut thing and those who love fast and technical driving have many perfectly sensible reasons to prefer the 488 - makes no sense to dismiss such an excellent car just because you decide to buy the other one. I currently own both in case you were wondering (Speciale and 488 Spider) and have driven the Italia extensively on track.

    I just drove the Mille Miglia in my Speciale, very quickly - fully encouraged by the Police escort (it’s an absolutely amazing event and could probably only happen in Italy). To drive all the time heading to 9,000 rpm is unrealistic and makes your driving a slave to that. There are many occasions where 9,000-all-the-time would be soooo much slower and not allow you to discover the thousands of hours of chassis development the engineers put in. What a shame that would be! Mid range torque helps cross-country speed immensely. The Speciale has it, but the 488 has more. I met a well driven 488 spider over the Futa pass and we were very well matched. The harder-core Speciale could keep pace but the 488 Spider, softer shell and softer suspension was extremely quick. And it sounded absolutely fine from where I was sitting. If you buy a 488, you buy a truly wonderful car.
     
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    What an excellent and well thought out post! Perfect summation.
     
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    My 2 cents.

    I've had the 458 and have now the 488 Spider. Did not ordered the F8 cause it is too similar to 458/488. I guess next Ferrari will be a 12 cylinders.
    If I were in you I'd buy the 458. Why?
    1 cause it is cheaper
    2 cause it is NA
    3 cause it has one of the best sounds in the industry
    4 cause its value could eventually go up

    Consider the 458 Spider ;)
     
  19. Viper830tt

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    Second this. Makes me want to try out a 488 gtb before committing to a 458 spider. Thanks for the straight forward and relatively objective comparison.

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    Which do you like better 488 or S?


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    Well said!!!


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  22. MalibuGuy

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    I like both cars,

    Today I was driving my 458 spider and there was a 488 spider in front of me.
    The N.A. 458 sounds so much different from the 488 at all rpms. We had some fun trading lead position as well as driving side by side. Got to hear each other’s engine music.

    I’m hoping to get an allocation for an F8 spider. (I’ll be hanging on to my 458 spider tho. If I owned a 488 and planned to get the F8 I’d sell the 488. Sort of like if I bought a 458 Speciale Aperta , I’d sell my 458 spider. )
     
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    imo, 458 it the pinnacle of midengined v8s. its modern enough with dct, comfort, handling, speed, and most importantly sound. all the cars before were down on performance with single clutch or stick. all the cars after have insane levels of speed but give up too much on the sound. I honestly would pay more for a brand new 458 than a 488 or f8 if one existed.
     
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  25. thebigo

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    The 458 is an unbelievable good car in terms of emotions. For sure, the 488 or the F8 is better in terms of power and also handling, but I won't give up my 458 - until the first fully electric Ferrari will be available.
     
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