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458 or 488

  1. 458

    277 vote(s)
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  2. 488

    108 vote(s)
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  1. dustman

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    Slightly off topic here...I had the opp to rev the TDF next to the GTO today. Very wide margin between the two in terms of loudness and quality, to the TDF.
    I am led to believe the 812SV will be loud as well (GPF aside).
     
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  3. axlesofevil

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    I've said this many times and I'll say it many times more. There is no logic or reason behind us buying supercars. It all comes down to how they make you feel.

    For some, the 458 makes them feel great. For others, it's the 488. Each have their own pros and cons but when it comes down to it it's like arguing over which pizza topping is the best. There's no right answer.

    Enjoy your cars and relax :p
     
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  4. john Owen

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    Great post and Amen.
     
  5. willcrook

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    I personally think that the 458 being slower on a track than a 488 doesn't bother anyone or affect values/desirability in any way

    they are mostly used as road cars and imo being faster on track doesn't always equate to more fun anyway
     
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  6. adamellisdj

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    Say you was about to join a freeway, it’s free and clear and let’s say for arguments, there is no speed limit, and you wanted to show your passenger what a Ferrari is all about.... how much difference is the 488 vs the 458?

    That’s what I’m concerned about when testing both in April. Real world speed. Not track speed.
     
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  8. RayJohns

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    As far as acceleration, the 458 is 8.5 out of 10 and the 488 is maybe 9 out of 10.

    Sound wise the 458 is 9 out of 10 and the 488 is maybe 6 +/-

    Shift feeling though the gears the 458 DCT is really unmatched. You lose some of that sharpness in the 488, I am guessing due to the blow-off valve.

    Overall "Ferrari" experience, both are very good, but the purists will say the 458 is 10 for 10 while the 488 is more like 8 for 10.

    Just my personal 2 cents.

    Ray
     
  9. italiafan

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    IMO...when you “want to show your passenger what a Ferrari is all about...” is exactly when things go wrong. Bad decisions don’t always lead to funny stories.
     
  10. adamellisdj

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    You know what I mean.
    I’ve shown my mates what an m4 and C63s is all about many many times with no issues whatsoever
     
  11. LVP488

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    For those who equate higher noise with more fun, there is no contest, the 458 wins over the 488.
    I have other criterias, and ability of a performance car on a track is one of them: I prefer to drive than to hear a car screaming, I know that denies me the title of purist but I'm only mildly concerned about that :p
     
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  13. adamellisdj

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    It’s all about what YOU like. Nothing more :)
     
  14. dustman

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    You were being too kind! ;)
    More like 3/10 for the Pista/488/F8 audio.
     
  15. SVR

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    May be. But when he talked about acceleration, he gave 458 8.5, while if 488 9/10, then 458 6/10
     
  16. regy53

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    There comes a point where power and speed is pointless anyway. I have just taken delivery of my old car that I sold in July last year. Couldn't live without it. 458 Italia. For the money I could have bought a 488 for a bit more and while when i looked at the 488 at the dealers I just cant get away from what I enjoy the most which is the whole experience. This is built up of noise, nolstagia, looks, market understanding and experience to drive. I took my 458 down the local lane and I cant see why you want to go much faster unless you are a track monster. Yes there are some dated things on the 458 but we dont drive these cars to be the latest Mercedes or audis with all these digital dash, high end audio, mood lighting. We drive them because ultimately we are petrol heads. If you are not and just want the "looks" then go 488 and take the later generation spec

    If the 458 had the same engine as the 488 then there would be nothing to say, but its the last N/A v8 mid engine Ferrari will produce. The noise and gearchange is just unreal, it screams "ferrari" at you and it will never be replicated again with natural noise. It isn't the fastest thing out there anymore but it doesn't matter.

    The residuals are spot on and there is going to be a squash down of cars into the price point the 458 is at, the 488 will drop lower because the F8 will drive this, as will all the other models. They are all turbos. They are all the same in that "sense"

    I think the 458 is one of the last "pure" car's they will produce. A era poster car
     
  17. dustman

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    This i agree, and a Tesla is 13/10
     
  18. LVP488

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    There is something I will never understand about the 458 love, and one is, if power and speed are pointless, why not go for an older and purer car? the 458 has the DCT and lots of electronics, which are good for performance... but if performance is not what is important, what's the point? a manual 355 or 360 Modena would be far more pure IMHO, and they are not that slow either in the world of legally constrained roads.
    And if performance is important, the 458 is just slow and outdated.
    My understanding capabilities are limited by my narrow mind, compared to the true and superior Ferrari enthusiasts, I know ;)
     
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  19. regy53

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    Possible for me personally because it was the last of the line, there are purer cars for sure but looks are subjective and I find the older Ferraris dont quite tick my boxes. So you capture the best of "my world" modern enough, nice enough without needing the latest tech and a hoot to drive and own.
     
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  20. dustman

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    For some, the 458 is sweet spot of sound, fast enough (of course), tech, and reliability. All combined better than 355/360/430 and the turbos. Agian, all combined.
    I wish the 488+ had stayed NA as the tech, rigidity, features started to really improve. The F8 shape and quality with NA would have been awesome, let Mc and Porsche own soundless.
     
  21. Stams

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    And to LVP488 - it’s not that performance is pointless, it’s that it just may not be the priority for the 458 crowd that it is for the 488ers. This is what I hear in some of these posts and it is true for me as well.

    I love what pinninfarina did with this design. It is stunning to look at for my eyes. The sound and revs get my heart going. And 562 hp is plenty for me.

    It’s a visceral and emotional decision, and it’s fun to analyze it and debate it.

    Blonds vs brunettes I say. Who am I to tell you who to love and why. We all love our ladies!




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  22. FerrariCognoscenti

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    Definitely the 458. Due to the sound and visceral experience, a passenger will have a higher sensation of speed in a 458 than 488, even though the 488 is faster.


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  23. Cigarzman

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    Yeah but how’s the sound ? :)
     
  24. dustman

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    Same as 488....Pointless.
     
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  25. czlandi

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    I’ve owned both a 458 and a 488. I sum up:
    Looks 458, Real world fun 458, civilized 488, sound 458, everyday car 488. So it depends what you want.
    Sold both to get my 812 Superfast. Puts a smile on my face and scares me sh..less every time I get in it. And the soundtrack is hard to beat. It will be my last F car and stay with me as long as I’m allowed to drive it.


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  26. Natkingcolebasket69

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    I mean 458/355/360cs are the best sounding v8 ever. Not to be narrow minded but any other opinion are just wrong


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  27. MANDALAY

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    The 488 GTB will wave goodbye to the 458
     
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  28. SVR

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    488 vs 458
    It’s like m4 f82 vs m3 e92
    2 good fast cars, fast enough to scary young girl, or parents, but...
    1 is much faster.
     

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