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Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by jj525, Jul 19, 2010.

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  1. Lesia44

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    #351 Lesia44, Sep 25, 2011
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    Well to put it another way... Which of these two cars is styled exactly the way the designer intended, and which one is the compromise?
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  2. Mav360

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    The right answer is : both!!
     
  3. ingegnere

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    +1

    Both have been designed to do their intended job.

    I have to say, though, when I first saw the 458 coupe with the crease of the waistline carrying past the quarter window and through the rear fender, I was convinced this was done to make the transition to convertible as seamless as possible as I could not understand why they would have done this - I found it kind of an odd styling treatment.

    I thought the plan would be to re-use the same rear fender for the convertible so that it would be kind of like a bi-colore effect. This may have worked with a soft-top, but for a hardtop, the seam lines would have been too complicated for proper sealing - hence the straight cut lines on the Spider.
     
  4. italia458

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    I like the way you put your opinion.
    This answer sounds feasible and even coherent, I must say i do tend to fall into this school of thinking but it is true that others do have the right to express their views, it’s just a shame they can not accept the views and interpretations of others with objectivity.
    Interested to hear other opinions on this…
     
  5. italia458

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    Hi Lesia44,
    As you know we do not agree at all on this but i do see your passion, however considering your resistance to change I can’t help but think of the double round tail lights on the cars of the era Daytona, bb, 308 etc... Why do you not speak of them changing, I can maybe help you there. I like the spider even with the buttresses instead of cloth, I feel comfortable with the linear thinking, as with only one tail light, its still round… it’s still the essence of Ferrari. I like change but I like heritage too. Continuity, Sorry that we have had a confrontation but I think it’s just a communication problem. Please try to see the heritage as a bigger picture.
     
  6. Lesia44

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    You couldn't be more wrong. I'm a designer, I thrive on 'change'.
     
  7. Lesia44

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    Wrong answer, I'm afraid.
     
  8. italia458

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    You are the one; the one that see’s all. A gift to be the only one to see a book with a gun on the cover and say ,”that’s a book about war” … obviously !
    I see more options than that, sorry.
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  9. Rcktrod

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    IMHO, I prefer the view of the coupe over the spider at this angle with the top up. The coupe looks more sleek and elegant.
     
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    Same assumption here. Lately I was leaning to brighter colours as my favorites for the 458 but that pictures have put Silverstone among my preferred colours again! It all has to do with the lighting, anyway.
     
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    I agree with this. It's a brilliant design. What's interesting about the article is how much new sheet metal it takes to make one. This was an expensive conversion for Ferrari.
     
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    #367 isuk, Sep 27, 2011
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    I think that grey is Canna di Fucile not Grigio Silverstone. It also has the bronze calliper option which I've not seen on a physical car before but have seen in the Atelier display.
     
  16. italia458

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    very good point
     
  17. italia458

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    Not sure i see both bronze & red, lighting again? canna … maybe , maybe not , for me Silverstone .
     
  18. Garretto

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    It's always difficult when it comes to changing colours and very particular lighting conditions. I would still say it is very close to Silverstone as sometimes light brings out the brown in it. I've looked at some examples of Canna di Fucile and can't see much brown in it, I'd say it has more black.
     
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    #371 isuk, Sep 27, 2011
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    It is difficult to be sure as you say but it would be unlike Ferrari to show a new model in a standard range colour (Rosso Corso excepted) as they almost always show out of range or extra campionaro colours to generate more sales revenue ;)

    Here is a Canna di Fucile 360 spider, the 458 spider and a 430 spider in Grigio Silverstone.
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  20. italia458

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    Agreed but look at the presentation venue, hangar doors + floor cracked, looks more like a media first view before lending it to them for the day.
     
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    #374 Garretto, Sep 27, 2011
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    That is a good point. Anyway, given the extreme similarity, I think I need to see both colours side by side in the same light to further agree or disagree.

    There was this thread long ago, consensus is that CdF is darker, even someone points out the bronze flakes... but then again I keep seeing bronze flakes in Silverstone, too...

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136849&highlight=Cana+Di+Fucile

    Canna di Fucile Stradale, Silverstone 458:
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  23. italia458

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    Don’t we get the same problematic with all metal colours & lighting anyway purely because it’s a mix? I thought that was the point of chameleon colours as opposed to solids?
     

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