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Cambelt pulley replacement

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  1. snowsports1

    snowsports1 Formula Junior

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    Hi I am just doing a cambelt replacement on my 308 gt4 and have noticed one of the camshaft pulleys rim is coming apart from the body. The others look fine. The belts are off and the cam pulley positions are marked at Tdc. Can I replace the cam pulley by undoing the nut and simply swoping it for a new one? I presume the cam pulley has a key way so as long as I mark the new one as the old it is a straight swop?
     
  2. miketuason

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    Yes, you can remove the center bolt, I just replaced two broken plastic pulleys a few months ago on a 77 308 on the front bank. It's hard to find a good condition plastic pulley as they don't make them anymore but, they do make a metal ones but expen$ive. Make sure when removing the bolt, to secure and lock the pulley then, preferably use an impact wrench.
     
  3. snowsports1

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    Thanks Mike I might nick one off my Gtb and upgrade that to alumimium when the engine comes out.
     
  4. mwr4440

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    #4 mwr4440, Jan 16, 2015
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    Look closely. The cam pulley is held in place with a 'headed' pin, washer and the big bolt on the end. You may need an impact wrench to loosen the bolt.

    Put reference marks on everything including the new cog. The marks on the old and new cog must be in the identical location.

    Mark the hole the pin is in in the cam pulley AND cam shaft.

    Lock the cam so it cannot move or mark it in a way you can tell if it did and by much.

    Remove the bolt. Remove the pin and pull. The cog should come off with a bit of effort. Put the new cog on and put the pin thru the marked holes.

    Put the big bolt and washer back on with a new O-ring. Make sure the washer has slipped to its limit properly and torque to spec.

    The marks on all cogs and the new belt should line up as before and the cam should not have rotated or 'drifted.'

    That is the general idea of this procedure. Somebody else may offer some 'tips & tricks.'
     
  5. Steve King

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    If the fence is in tact and not broken you can always glue it back on. This has been done successfully in the past. I think there is a post somewhere about this.
     
  6. waymar

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    My '82 308GTSi has an O ring behind the cam pulley bolt which must be replaced. My cams also have a hex for a large cresent wrench. The bolt is torqued to 80psi.
     
  7. snowsports1

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    My pulley has rotational movement approx 3 degrees each way. The tensioner mechanism spring loaded part is currently lubricated with copper slick grease. Is this best taken apart, cleaned and fresh copper slick applied?
     
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  9. snowsports1

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    Ok thanks, great response guys
     
  10. yelcab

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    You should not have any rotational movement on your pulleys with the index pin inserted. 6 degrees of total movement is unacceptable.
     
  11. Steve Magnusson

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    #11 Steve Magnusson, Jan 17, 2015
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    Do you mean that you have that much rotational play between the pulley and the cam with the bolt loose (like someone got frustrated and wrongly ground down the alignment pin when they didn't understand how the adjustment works), or

    You have that much slop in the belt so that when you rotate the pulley and cam together (with the bolt tight) it has that much rotational movement?

    It is important that the tensioner mechanism is properly cleaned/lubed (but it's not a dynamic thing after being locked down -- so it's not rocket-science ;)).
     
  12. snowsports1

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    The pulley I am talking about changing, the rim is loose on the body. You can rattle it side to side without turning the cam
     
  13. andyww

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    By "Rim" you mean the side flange which prevents the belt from running sideways off the edge of the pulley? Not the actual part the belt runs on (hopefully!).
     
  14. snowsports1

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    No it is the part the belt runs on, ie not good and needs to be changed, not glued. I drove from Glasgow to Basingstoke area when I collected this car 😯
     
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    Crikey!
     
  16. mwr4440

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    Please show us a pic. This makes absolutely no sense what so ever.
     
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    +1 -- the molded outer shell has separated from the steel inner core. Don't start it again like that ;)
     
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    WoWzers!!!!!!

    Been to three World Fairs and a goat race and I ain't seen noting like that !!! :eek:

    WHAT HE SAID !!!!!!
     
  21. Steve Magnusson

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    Welcome to what happens to the plastic sprockets when someone (wrongly) tries to put the timing belt on by just compressing the tensioner -- the fence gets broken off. Each sprocket/pulley on each bank should have one fence IIRC (one inboard and the other outboard) -- see the SPC or OM figures.
     
  22. snowsports1

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    Looks like I am changing the whole set then, alumimium superformance?
     
  23. Steve Magnusson

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    It's usually just the outboard fences that get broken off -- have you lost the inboard fence on each bank as well?

    (Can't help with the replacement sourcing, but I'd, personally, go with a healthy stock set or an aftermarket set just based on better price.)
     
  24. Hannibal308

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    IIRC, there are stock metal ones that will work on our engines with OEM plastic pulleys. I'm fairly noobish, so anyone who knows for sure, please help confirm as I was thinking of swapping my plastics for OEM metal.

    Ciao!

    Hannibal
     
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    #25 mwr4440, Jan 18, 2015
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    Oh, and it gets better.

    There are aluminum that use the OEM Belt deign(I have anodized red ones) and others that use the modern rounded tooth belt design and are adjustable to advance or retard the cams. Examples of both can be found in threads here.

    The thing I Really Like about mine is the cog and fence are all one piece. They cannot be broken off.


    Ferrari never made any metal ones for the 3x8 cars IIRC.
     

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