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488 Brake Failure

Discussion in '458 Italia/488/F8' started by Hopeful, Sep 7, 2021.

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  1. Hopeful

    Hopeful Karting

    May 31, 2019
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    Vero Beach, FL
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    Tony M.
    Was driving my 2018 488 Spider this morning and the Low Brake Fluid warning popped up. Within a mile or two, the brakes failed completely, as in all the way to the floor and car would not stop. I managed to get it into a safe parking lot without hitting anything/anybody. Ferrari is picking it up this afternoon but has anyone else experienced this? I would be surprised if it was actually a brake fluid issue as car had its annual in April and I have not seen any signs of leaking fluid.
     
  2. FFan5

    FFan5 Formula Junior

    Jul 7, 2018
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    It sounds exactly like a brake fluid issue. I've had it happen once in a different car, master cylinder failed, brake fluid leaked out and no brake pressure. Certainly an unnerving experience! Try to shake it off.
     
  3. Viperjoe

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    Had the same thing happen to me in my ACR Viper. While on the North Course at Pocono Raceway, at about 145 mph, I tried to scrub off some speed to enter the infield and the brakes went right to the floor. Fortunately, I was able to get around the directional cones, stayed on the tri-oval, limped back to the pits and sold the car shortly thereafter.
     
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  4. ilko

    ilko Karting

    Aug 20, 2008
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    On my 458 I had the master cylinder seal leak into the brake booster causing intermittent braking problems. No issues once I replaced both. In your case, the seal on the brake cylinder could be completely disintegrated, or a bleeder screw may have come loose.

    Keep us posted on the culprit please.
     
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  5. Bad Boys 1

    Bad Boys 1 Karting

    Mar 22, 2020
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    totally unacceptable on a 2018 exotic car.

    never heard of on Porsche or Lambo....sad
     
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  6. FerrariCognoscenti

    FerrariCognoscenti Formula 3

    Jan 19, 2021
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    Angry ex girlfriend?

    Glad you’re ok.

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  7. mdrums

    mdrums F1 Rookie

    Jun 11, 2006
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    My 2017 Porsche GTS had a front caliper leaking at the putter zerk fitting under hard braking…enough the pedal got soft at Sebring.
     
  8. Hopeful

    Hopeful Karting

    May 31, 2019
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    Well, definitely low brake fluid. Checked the reservoir while waiting for Ferrari roadside assistance to show up and it was empty. Not sure where it went as I still couldn't find any indication of leaking fluid. Should hear something from Ferrari this week.
     
  9. Il Co-Pilota

    Il Co-Pilota F1 Veteran

    May 29, 2019
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    A leak can be in many places, including places you cannot see.

    But it could also be as simple as a bleed nipple someone didn't shut properly. Did you check the inside of your wheels for signs of fluid?

    It could also be as simple, and as stupid, as someone failing to make sure the system was not bled too low. I've seen example of the dumbest things where someone started by topping off the reservoir and then just started to bleed, only to realize at some point that they were pulling air into the master cylinder after they emptied the tank.

    The fact that this could be because of human error, means that you have to take the entire situation very seriously, and if it turns out that it is the case, the GM, the manager of their shop and you need to have a meeting to discuss this. If it was me, I would demand that FNA was notified as well. This is a really big deal if it turns out to have been human error. You and others were extremely lucky.

    If they find that it is due to a part failing, demand that they hand over the defective part after it has been changed. Be demanding so that you get peace of mind - I'm sure they will understand.

    Personally I would rather lose a wheel than having a brake failure, so be vigilant in this case. Brake failure is serious business.

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  10. Viperjoe

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    Sorry, I should have added the brake failure was due to overheating/boiling fluid.
     
  11. JTSE30

    JTSE30 F1 Rookie

    Oct 1, 2004
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    Your 1999 Viper ACR would of really benefited from having a big-brake-kit fitted, the stock/oem brakes were not designed for track duty, especially on a high speed track like Pocono where many cars can get to 170mph before stomping on the brakes to make the 140degree infield corner. And, for track duty, always use DOT4, and must be fresh, more than 6 months since last flush, and no more than 18-24 heat cycles (i.e. of 25 minute track sessions) otherwise you are pushing your luck.
     
  12. Hopeful

    Hopeful Karting

    May 31, 2019
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    Well, Ferrari reports that the failure was the Master Cylinder leaking into the vacuum side. I hope this means there was no spillage external to the system. They also said they do not return failed parts that are under warranty as Ferrari usually wants them for analysis. What I need to find out tomorrow is why there was no emergency bake available. The only way to stop the car was to roll to a stop or to turn the car off so the Park brake engaged. The Hold function would not activate as it requires you to step on the brake (which I did) but apparently the car does not sense the pedal being depressed when there is no pressure in the system.
     
  13. ilko

    ilko Karting

    Aug 20, 2008
    155
    So it's the same issue that caused my brake failure, but more severe, since you had no brakes at all. In my case a small amount of fluid leaked inside the booster which made it unable to create vacuum but my pedal was still firm and I could still slow the car somewhat.

    The master cylinder and brake booster are both made by Bosch.
     

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