488 GTB (458 replacement)

so what it checks all the boxes. As we didnt know that already its ferrari, they dont drop the ball on driving experience ever, they have the best enginers from F1 in the world, they cant go wrong because they have years and years of experience with this, and they knew they had to make it sound good too. I am more and more convinced that the design is a step back, its fugly in the back with cheap details, the front just dont fit in properly and the sidevents dont create enough harmony

 

Autocar begs to differ as far as the engine goes: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/ferrari/458/first-drives/2015-ferrari-488-gtb-review

 

You won't like the eve article. They say its kinda like the 650s and feels the best at ridiculous speeds. Ferrari 488 GTB review - prices, specs and 0-60 time | Evo

 

Top gear First drive: Ferrari 488 GTB - BBC Top Gear

Automobile mag http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/driven/1506-2016-ferrari-488-gtb-review/

Car mag http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/ferrari/ferrari-488-gtb-2015-review/

Auto express http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ferrari/488/91713/ferrari-488-gtb-review

Piston heads http://www.pistonheads.com/news/ph-driven/ferrari-488gtb-driven/32253

 

Auto express video https://youtu.be/NypuEIq2TGg

 

"The engine is not as sharp as the 458."

 

Engine sound is deeper and throatier to my ear. Not anywhere near as exciting as the 458 scream IMVHO.

 

If you listen to the video in post #3671 you can only come to one conclusion: Chris Harris is deaf.

I would say he is deaf AND dumb, but ive heard him shoot off his mouth numerous times. He can speak.

 

In the auto express video, you can hear some turbo flutter around 4:59. in the later parts, you can also hear the turbo spool up kinda like the huayra.

 

Yeah.
458 sound is miles better.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcuk4rf-Onw[/ame]

 

458 is already past. Humble yourself.

 

Its hard to be humble when one is right all the time.

 

Sounds awesome. Very similar to my scud in cabin...just missing a few hundred rpm at the end.

Glowing review. People with orders in should be super excited.

 

I just knew that the peak revs are restricted in the lower three gears to 7500 rpm only!
2016 Ferrari 488 GTB First Drive [w/video]

 

"The horrible look of the door handles direct air into the engine air intake ducts."

Now we know.

The restricted revs in the lower three grears are to make the car feel like an na engine? That revs to 9000 rpm? Really?

The 488 has a better chassis and a morecompliant ride. The seats are uncomfortable after an hour.

If we hadnt seen and driven the 458, the 488 would be all stars. But alas we have seen and driven the 458 unfortunately...

BTW: when you stop believing in Santa Claus you get underwear for Christmas! Lol

 

Doesn't surprise me. Turbos often drop off toward redline and run out of power. If you stop the engine from going there, the power is more linear....right into the next gear.

Some manufacturers also artificially limit torque in the mid-range to not make the lesser torque at redline noticeable.

The reality is that you don't actually miss the revs at all. In fact, you will spend all your time managing the absurd amount of torque to put the power down...or let the systems do it.

 

I agree with you. 7500 rpm cutoff is a non-issue if the speed and torque are all there. I wouldn't even care if they cut it off at 3000 rpm if I had 1500 HP and 1500 ft-lb and they managed it properly.

In the end it is all about how fast the car is and how it feels. Ferrari seems to have figured out how to make the 488 feel just right and connected. Kudos to them for working that Maranello magic.

 

Seems like ferrari is the first one to do turbo properly. There was never a doubt the 488 would outperform its predecessor, but some of the statements comparing it to 458 are still interesting:

topgear:

"The 488 doesn't have quite the tingling effervescence of the 458, doesn't goad you to the redline in quite the same way, doesn't sing so lustily when you get there."

"It doesn't feel like an old Ferrari V8, that's for sure. The turbo engine certainly doesn't gain and lose revs with the massless snap of the old naturally aspirated V8, which would drop from 8,000rpm to idle so quickly you wondered how the rev-counter needle could keep up. The new V8 is just a mite slower in its reactions."

EVO:

"However, the sharpness and sense of drama is diminished slightly and the 488 sometimes has that McLaren 650S trait of only really feeling exciting at ridiculous speeds. On the track it’s fantastic but on the road there’s no question that it isn’t quite as immersive as before"

With that said though, 488 still seems to be a fantastic car and worthy replacement

 

yawn

 

Interesting. I am learning here.

The power peaks out at 6000 rpm. Why 7500 in the first 3 gears? Whats the rev limit in the top 4 gears? 8000 or 8500?

Why not put in more gears and limit the revs to stay in the power band?

 

Because peak power is not that important actually. Most NA engines make peak power right at redline for example.

What is important is getting to peak torque, sustaining it, and staying in that range. Giving the driver the largest RPM range of usable torque is what is most important.

Only Ferrari knows right now why they have done that variable redline. I think it's a bit odd personally because a moving redline is not great at the track. But, if you just look at the rev lights on the wheel, which is all you will have time to do in reality, then it should not make a functional difference in performance.

I struggle to understand why torque would drop off only in the lower gears, and not the higher ones. Perhaps, it is not as noticeable in higher gears and at higher speeds. Perhaps they wanted more usable powerband in the upper gears even with the turbos choking the engine slightly at higher RPMs. Perhaps they want people to accelerate through the lower gears 500rpm sooner? Really hard to say...at least for me.

 

Thank you.

 

I'm still not sold on the looks. I guess my problem is they did too good a job on the Speciale.

The best thing about driving the 458 was red lining it at 9 grand in 1st. If you can't do that anymore, man.... what a waste of 300 grand.

 

I agreed with you, he totally don't care about sound, in previous videos he said how great is 9k rpm sound in GT3 and 458, now suddenly he doesn't care about screaming sound

 

sound is not good, but it's best sounding turbo on the market, anyway good luck with purchase