In viewing the earlier posted link with the yellow 488, it seemed the lines were too interrupted by non-symmetrical plugged in updates. perhaps a function of color.
Stick to paddle shift or dual clutch doesn't take away the screaming sound (passion). It's more about you don't need to move your feet (more relax and focus) when shifting. IMO, there are 4 main things about F car : the look, the sound, the brand, and the performance. Now the sound has gone. Speaking about performance, lighter weight and suspension are more important than hp. Just look at 458 Challenge, same hp with 458 but lap the Fiorano faster than LaFerrari. I hope next V8 mid will be introduced with V8 hybrid OR if Ferrari wants to maintain Turbo, they should give 2 engine options to buyer : V8 Turbo with more hp and V8-NA with less hp. Now Maserati has 2 engine options.
Very well said - it's the small details that add that extra frisson to life. I do wonder though if, 20 years from now, a young kid is going to be looking for an X-Box experience from their car and won't give a thought to the things we enjoy. Time will tell.
In twenty years time certain western governments may ban all Non Autonomous cars in order to save thousands of lives from road incident deaths
Ferrari owners will be happy. No more having to explain why you paid so much for a car you never drive.
Bingo. I'm not sure but I guess that the big advantage of a rear mid-engine concept has to do with exact these two parameters.
Lesia44, if handling and performance are all that matter, then why are you even on this forum? Seems you should be here instead: Ariel Atom Chat The Ariel Atom will out-handle and out-perform a 458 or 488, or almost any Ferrari for that matter. If looks, sound, and brand don't matter to you, I think you need to stop and seriously consider why you're even on the Ferrarichat forum.... And if you have some good reasons, maybe you'd care to share them with us... I mean, other than the OBVIOUS reasons, such as the fact that you take delight in inciting dispute via statements that you know will be contradictory to many Ferrari, 458, and Speciale owners... Lesia44, you look at photos of, and talk about, the 458/Speciale as someone who doesn't drive one. It's like someone who looks at photos of, and talks about, food as someone who doesn't eat. You only listen to others describe the Ferrari/food, and you look at the Ferrari/food and form your "opinions" of it, even though you've never even TASTED it. How do you think you can be a food critic, even though you've never even tasted it? Please explain. Because, with all due respect, saying that the only thing that matters about a Ferrari is "handling and performance" is the same as saying that the only thing that matters about food is that it is nutritious. Go eat some food, and then you'll realize that there's far more to food than nutrition. Namely, taste. Said differently: Before you continually numb us with your "opinions" on the 458/Speciale/488, why don't you first go spend some time behind the wheel of one. Absent wheel time, your opinion means nothing. P.S. -- Wheel time on a Sony Playstation doesn't count.
Mid Engine cars have a much different and more aggressive look because the fronts are shorter and more steeply racked. Try as you might, you can't duplicate that with a front engine car.
Well, the first thing you should know is not to judge people on the fact that they haven't filled in their profile at Ferrari Chat. I've probably got more time behind the wheel of more Ferraris than many here on FChat (possibly you included) who have chosen to put their cars in their profiles. To misquote another FChat member, I have plenty of Ferrari miles under my belt, I just don't feel the need to tell you about it. On the other hand, if you're just pulling assumptions about me out of your ass, don't, it's not helpful. And, as you yourself have not yet driven the 488, you know no more than I do on that one at this point in time. Indeed, if I wanted to drive a car that handled and perform the way an Ariel Atom does, I'd be on Ariel Atom Chat. I choose not to. I've driven an Ariel Atom. Have you? Out-handle and out-perform a 458? Well, that depends on how you define out-handle and out-perform. If it all hangs on a stopwatch then, yes, easily. If it's about feel, no, not even close. Nothing else I've driven has the feel of a modern Ferrari. They started to put distance between themselves and the competition with the 360 and then, from the 430 on, nothing has quite the same feel. If I were buying on brand, sound and looks I'd be driving a Lamborghini. Unfortunately, good as the last two generations of Lambo have become, under the skin they're always a few steps behind Ferrari when it comes to feel/handling so that's a no, no. For me it's all about feel/handling. I'm not even that fussed about performance - they've all been fast enough since the 360. As for taking delight in inciting dispute, well the firs response to my comment was in agreement so I'm not doing too well on that front. Sorry you find someone else's personal preferences so offensive but, as they say, YMMV.
I don't think so. If only about handling and performance, MP4 would have been more successful than 458. Then like I said, if everything is really on handling and performance, Ferrari doesn't need to add more hp. The 458 Challenge which has less hp than Speciale could lap Fiorano faster than mega-hp LaFerrari. If it's more about handling and performance, then the targets are light weight and suspension, not turbo.
Oh, I agree, and as I said above, I'm not that fussed about performance, they're all more than fast enough. Really, it's about feel and handling. I haven't driven the Mac so I can't comment from experience, but from what I've read it won't have that feel that I value about Ferrari. All just personal opinion, of course.
Lesia44, my point is: The Speciale is quite unique. Unless you've logged seat time, you won't know, and absent said pertinent data, opinions should be withheld. But whatever man, it's all good. Peace, out.
I have to be honest, there was no need to rip this guy apart for his opinion. This is a forum where we can share our opinions. His opinion is that with a Ferrari its the performance and handling that matter the most, so be it. It does not mean we should go off on him for that. I agree sound plays a role into a Ferrari but it doesnt mean hes wrong for his opinion.
This is true Mayor. However, I have a problem with the hypocritical argument that performance isn't important, especially in the world of high performance cars. Why has a LaFarrari nearly 1000hp? Why has a F12 740hp? Who would buy today a new Speciale with the same performance like a Scuderia? Why has a McLaren 675LT 675hp? All manufacturers increase the performance on their sports cars. Are they so stupid and don't have the customer need under control?
The reason is they alpha males have to have the biggest, baddest, latest, most high tech whatever. Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, etc all play up into that. Ferrari's are like trophy wives. "My car has 50 more HP than yours!" equals "My wife is a DD cup!"
I apologize if I offended him and/or anyone else on the forum. It was not my intention to do so, and maybe I misread some things. Anyway, very sorry.
