488 GTB Misfire at WOT High RPM – Seeking Ferrari Expertise | FerrariChat

488 GTB Misfire at WOT High RPM – Seeking Ferrari Expertise

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by LAmiller, Feb 27, 2025.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

  1. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    I recently picked up a 488 GTB, and I’m chasing a gremlin that’s got me stumped. I own Firepunk LLC, a diesel performance shop with a chassis dyno, so I’m no stranger to diagnostics and tuning—diesels are my wheelhouse. That said, the Ferrari platform is new to me, and I need some 488-specific expertise to steer me toward the next steps for diagnosing and fixing this issue.
    The Problem:
    The car runs and drives perfectly—smooth as silk—except under a hard WOT pull. After a few seconds at full boost, I get a misfire. It’s stock except for catless Capristo downpipes and a full exhaust.
    What I’m Seeing:
    • WOT runs shifting at 6500 RPM? Flawless, no hiccups, holding 20 psi boost.
    • Let it auto-shift at 7500 RPM? Misfire hits between 6500-7500 RPM, CEL blinks, and I’ve pulled misfire codes for cylinders 3, 5, and 7 (P0303, P0305, P0307) on separate runs.
    • My Launch scan tool shows knock detected via the ION module during these events.
    • Bank 2 MAF readings are consistently lower than Bank 1.
    Steps I’ve Taken:
    • Boost Leak Check: Pressurized the intercooler system to 5 psi with a fog machine—no leaks. I’m confident there’s no major boost leak, unless something is developing at 20psi I don't see at 5psi
    • Spark Plugs: Swapped in fresh OEM-spec plugs.
    • Air Filter: Installed a new high-flow BMC filter.
    • MAF Sensors: Swapped Bank 1 and Bank 2 sensors—lower readings stayed with Bank 2, so the sensors aren’t the issue.
    • Turbos: Pulled the intake elbows—wheels look clean, no shaft play, no housing contact.
    • Burned 400 miles of Gas through to make sure I have fresh 93 Octane I'm running
    My Thoughts:
    I initially figured a boost leak was causing a lean condition, triggering knock and misfire. The 5 psi test says otherwise, but I’m open to ideas. I’m wondering if this could be bad coil packs, an ION module quirk, or something tied to the catless exhaust. I’ve got the tools and know-how to dig deeper, but I lack the Ferrari experience to pick the right path.
    Any 488 gurus out there who can point me in the right direction? I’d love some insight on what to check next—whether it’s dyno data, fuel system, or something else entirely. Appreciate the help!

    https://photos.app.goo.gl/tDPneutxJuuHny7HA This is a link to a video of a hard pull, it pulls perfect the first two gears, the third gear shift/full boost is where I feel/hear the misfire.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
  2. windsock

    windsock Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 29, 2006
    1,129
    I would be careful with the readings from your scan tool. Many of the aftermarket tools have a lot of errors in what they display.
    Swap air meters LH to RH and see if the problem moves. I suspect you have injectors that are carboned up or restricted. What are the lambda values showing during the concern?
    It was enough of a concern that we removed and cleaned the injectors in the challenge cars several times a year.
     
  3. mdrums

    mdrums F1 Rookie

    Jun 11, 2006
    3,200
    Tampa FL
    Following this out of curiosity.....but who tuned the car for the exhaust mods? Could it be a tuning glitch or error?
     
    SAFE4NOW likes this.
  4. craze

    craze Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Mar 5, 2021
    1,157
    Melbourne
    Full Name:
    Michael
    Is it tuned? Happening under hard load, sounds like fuel issue perhaps, im not an expert, but had an m5 f10 twin turbo with similar power and we had these gremlins from time to time.

    Misfire on that platform was often coil plugs or boost leak or fuel
     
  5. INTMD8

    INTMD8 F1 Veteran
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Jun 10, 2007
    6,677
    Lake Villa IL
    I didn't catch if it's stock or modified. (I don't know if 20psi is stock but maybe not).

    If power is cranked up the first thing I would look at is high pressure fuel pump.

    If there's a big jump in power/fuel demand sometimes hpfp can't keep up. Rail pressure falls and injector pulsewidth extends to compensate so it can end up spraying fuel too close to the ignition event.
     
  6. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    I swapped Mass Air Flow on the intakes Left to Right and nothing changed.
    Here's the readings I have on Lambda
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    I had it tuned by Matt at HD Tuning, He also returned the ECU to stock for me to confirm its not tuning related and the problem still exists with the OEM tune and I get Catalyst codes without the tune because of the catless downpipes.

    Rail pressure follows commanded pressure perfectly, had that problem on my 458 so I feel confident the high pressure pump is holding rail.
     
  7. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    what is involved in pulling injectors and cleaning, is it a surface/carbon build up cleaning or more involved? Is there any way to dianose whether that is the problem before digging into the project?
     
  8. INTMD8

    INTMD8 F1 Veteran
    Owner Silver Subscribed

    Jun 10, 2007
    6,677
    Lake Villa IL
    B2 maf roughly 360hp worth of airflow. B1 maf 750hp worth of airflow. Maybe that's combined airflow because I can't see anything making that possible.
     
  9. Fachmann

    Fachmann Rookie

    Mar 2, 2018
    8
    Full Name:
    YS
    At the high RPM/Load system goes into the "open loop" mode, assuming this, the lambda readings you see are probably preset ones. It would help to make another run using a wide band air/fuel ratio sensor to see what is actually going on. If a misfire is persistent to certain cylinders, I would try to swap the injectors to begin with. Another possibility could be a mechanical issue, like a weak/broken valve spring or worn valve guides.
     
  10. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
    Consultant Professional Ferrari Technician

    Sep 18, 2002
    19,827
    The Cold North
    Full Name:
    Tom
    The IONIC spark control module will cause these issues. Many have been replaced under warranty.
    That said, definitely have the injectors cleaned and tested.
     
  11. windsock

    windsock Formula 3
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 29, 2006
    1,129
    Based on my experience its likely going to be injectors. An additional Lambda sensor reading is not a bad idea. The factory lambda sensors are not used for any adjustment at WOT but will read accurately.
    Not sure where you are located but find someone with a Ansul fuel injection tester cleaner. If they have spent that much for equipment, they are likely qualified.
    Have them check the flow rate and spray pattern prior to cleaning and the injectors are cylinder specific so make sure you document that.
    Ferrari only sells them as the whole rail unless they have changed that recently. Replacing the Teflon seals on the injectors is very critical. Make sure your either have the fuel injection shop do it or spend the money on the special tools.
     
    tbakowsky likes this.
  12. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    ok, thanks for your insite. I'm in central Ohio. Do you know a recommended fuel system shop that would be familiar with this platform in my area?
     
  13. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
    Consultant Professional Ferrari Technician

    Sep 18, 2002
    19,827
    The Cold North
    Full Name:
    Tom
    Any diesel shop should be able to help you. They have been working at these pressures forever.
     
  14. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    Would the ION module cause this misfire without throwing any fault codes pointing to the ION module?
     
  15. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    Is there any way to determine if my problem is in the OIN module or whether its in the injectors? Noone has suggested a Coil issue, i'm assuming if a coil is bad, its bad, and wouldn't only cause a problem at full load/high rpm? I would love to diagnose this accurately without just throwing parts at the car.
     
  16. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    Can anyone shed some insight on pulling the injectors? My workshop manual I have doesn't give me any information, It looks like there is a coolant hard line that will keep the rail/injectors from coming out, so i'm assuming drain coolant and remove coolant line? Do you generally remove the intake plenums or just work in a tight space? If anyone that has done the job before could shed some tips, that would be amazing, otherwise, i'll dive in and learn as I go.
     
  17. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
    Consultant Professional Ferrari Technician

    Sep 18, 2002
    19,827
    The Cold North
    Full Name:
    Tom
    Coupe or spider?
     
  18. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    Coupe
     
  19. tbakowsky

    tbakowsky F1 World Champ
    Consultant Professional Ferrari Technician

    Sep 18, 2002
    19,827
    The Cold North
    Full Name:
    Tom
    Saves some big labor. Pull the intake to gain access.
     
  20. LAmiller

    LAmiller Rookie
    Rossa Subscribed

    Nov 4, 2024
    13
    Plain City, OH
    Full Name:
    Lavon Miller
    Great news Gentleman! Sent injectors to injectorexperts.com just north of me in Ohio and cleaning/balancing the injectors fixed my problem!

    Thank you everyone for the advice.
     
    Willl likes this.
  21. craze

    craze Formula 3
    Silver Subscribed

    Mar 5, 2021
    1,157
    Melbourne
    Full Name:
    Michael
    thank you for updating us
     

Share This Page