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4WD for Ferrari ?

Discussion in 'Europe' started by taunus, Nov 3, 2005.

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  1. taunus

    taunus Formula Junior

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    I found this at the homepage of Munsterhuis, Netherlands:

    "Ferrari is bezig met het ontwikkelen van een vierwielaandrijvingssysteem. Het zal geen permanente vierwielaandrijving zijn, maar een systeem dat alleen de voorwielen aandrijft als dat echt nodig is.

    Ferrari heeft de eerste patenten aangevraagd van een vierwielaandrijvingssysteem. Het kan alleen worden gebruikt voor auto´s met de motor voorin en achterwielaandrijving. De 4WD van Ferrari is geen permanent systeem. De voorwielen worden alleen aangedreven als daar grip wordt verloren. De periode van 4WD kan maximaal twintig tot dertig seconden duren omdat het systeem anders oververhit raakt.
    Volgens speculaties zal de 612 Scaglietti de eerste Ferrari zijn die met deze techniek wordt uitgerust. Ook de 600, die over korte tijd de 575M Maranello vervangt, komt in aanmerking voor deze aandrijving. Daarnaast is het goed denkbaar dat de Maserati Quattroporte en de opvolger van de Coupé en Spyder op termijn met 4WD leverbaar worden."

    http://www.munsterhuissportscars.nl/FERRARI/html/nieuws.htm#Ferrari_komt_met_4WD_(20-10-2005)_

    Perhaps someone could translate this ?
     
  2. alx355gt

    alx355gt F1 Veteran

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    TRANSLATION:
    "Ferrari is working on a 4WD system. Not a permanent one but a system that only works when it's really neccessary.

    First patents are already requested. It can only be used in front engined cars with rear wheel drive . It's not a permanent system, Front wheels are only working together with the rear wheels if the car is losing grip there. The system can only work for about 20 to 30 secs because otherwise the system would get overheated.
    Rumours are that the 612 Scaglietti will be the first car equippedwith this new system. Also the 600 or successor of the 575 is a candidat. Furthermore also the Maserati Quattroporte and the successor of the Coupé and Spyder could be equipped with this 4WD."



    See also Tina's site (http://www.nansens.dk/) for the following.*
    Ferrari Develops 4x4 System **

    Ferrari is ready to break with tradition by adding a four-wheel-drive system for future sports cars, according to reports.
    The Italian company has filed patent drawings for a part-time 4x4 system, which could be used on front-engined models such as the 612 Scaglietti and the forthcoming V12-powered 600, as well as Maserati's Quattroporte and Coupé. The setup also combines all-wheel drive and a transaxle layout for the first time in a Ferrari.
    A patent drawing published by Autocar magazine shows that the new system is very compact and is simpler than rival 4x4 systems based on a rear-drive layout. A constant velocity joint and an oil-bath clutch — the clutch transmits power to the front wheels — are encased on the end of the engine block.
    The system will not be an Audi quattro-style, full-time 4x4; instead, it will function like a traction control system, using sensors and computers to transmit drive to the front wheels if the car starts to slide while cornering. In higher gears, the system is limited to 20-to-30-second bursts of 4x4 traction to stop overheating.
    What this means to you: Don't worry — it's not a Ferrari SUV, though that might happen as well, according to rumors from Italy. This is a road-safety aid that will enhance Ferrari's legendary handling.
     
  3. taunus

    taunus Formula Junior

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    Thanks !!!
     
  4. enzo360

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  5. alx355gt

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    You're welcome :)


    Correct...
    But of course it stayed very experimental that time...
    How many of those proto's were built? Two or more?
    Last time I visited the Galleria in Maranello one of them was on display there.
     
  6. enzo360

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    Alex,
    if I remember correct two were built:
    the one shown above, also see: http://www.barchetta.cc/All.Ferraris/by-serial-number/ferrari-by-serial-number/model-index/model-index-by-date-1980/166-mm-s-n-0-30.html
    and http://www.conceptcars.it/italia/408integrale.htm
    in fact not much is known about these cars.
    Regards
    Jurgen
     
  7. Simon

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    This could also be development work by Ferrari for Maserati.
    I've heard Maserati want a 4 wheel drive system to compete with the Porsche Carrera 4.
     
  8. maranello71

    maranello71 Formula 3

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    I think there's a much darker truth behind this. Apparently the design of the new QP-based Coupe and Spyder has been "frozen" because of excessive cost (they don't want Maserati to compete against the Merc SL and Astons anymore, apparently ??? ). The next generation Maseratis will probably use a cheaper modified Alfa Romeo Brera platform and V6 engines :( . As you know, the Brera platform has a transverse engine and is made primarily for front wheel drive...

    I fear that to save costs they'll just bolt a pretty Maserati bodywork on a Brera platform, and stick a 4WD system to avoid the dishonour and horror of having a FWD Maserati.

    It's an idiotic policy aimed at making Maserati cheaper while destroying all its heritage and prestige in the process. They were just so close to becoming serious competitors to Aston, Porsche and the likes... and now they'll throw it all away on an Alfa-based mongrel made to compete with the Nissan 350Z and Audi TT. :(
     
  9. Dutchman

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    Andrea,

    I couldn't agree more! They were slowly climbing out of a deep hole. The new models like the QP and the new Cambiocorsa are a huge step up in development, and thus creating a real threat to AM, Bentley and Porsche.
    It will destroy the heritage if they allow cheaper material. Do they want the same thing to happen as with the Biturbo's again?
     
  10. maranello71

    maranello71 Formula 3

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    I think this time it might be worse. At least for all its faults the Biturbo was a "genuine" Maserati - with a great in-house designed V6 engine, and of course Maserati platform, suspension, and interior styling. The original Biturbo had many faults because of its limited development, but had a great potential and was vastly improved over the years - the final result shown by the '93-'98 Ghibli, a great GT that finally gave justice to the original concept.

    Unfortunately in this case what we may end up with is a mongrel "Alfarati" with a cheap front-wheel-drive platform dressed up to look like a Maserati, and fitted with 4WD to avoid FWD in the same way that Jaguar dressed up the Mondeo to turn it into the X-Type. There will be NOTHING of Maserati's own technology and heritage in this car, it will be just a marketing exercise. The problem is, customers in this price range are more sophisticated than Fiat's marketing gurus think - they can tell if a car is genuine or not, and will never buy this thing. This may spell the end of Maserati's remaining exclusivity and prestige.
     

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