5 year service cost

Help, my 2003 575 M with only 18,000 miles will need a new belt service soon. It seems wise to also replace the hoses at the same time. I know that this involves removing the plenum. Can anyone tell me how many hours a trained Ferrari mechanics , who claims to have done this many times, will take? Also are there any other sure failures to correct and if so how long to repair them .

Thanks

 

It is not impossible to unscrew and put it back in a short time like 2 houres. But you must also refill and bleed the cooling system, clean the gasket flanges, clean and torque it right etc.. Everything takes time!!

 

Taz would be the expert here. Hopefully he'll make a post.
I own a 550 but I'll throw in a few ideas.

Good time to get any sticky interior parts fixed (use StickyNoMore or StickyRX).
Also check the brakes, F1 remaining clutch life, and engine mounts.

You should be treating your leather interior every year or two with something like Leatherique.

I also like to replace the battery as preventive maintenance, maybe every 5 years or so.
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The only hoses that might need changing are the small ones at the rear. The 575M already has silicone hoses under the plenum that should be fine. If coolant has been changed regularly, even the small ones should be fine.

Cost should be around $5000 to go along with changing all the fluids if the cams need degreeing and you need new cam seals and cam cover seals. F1 fluid should be changed and the system bled too. Needs to be done every 3 years and may not have been done. A simple lock and swap will be less if she has had the cams degreed in the past by the same tech.

Here is my 5 year from 2013.
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FofLJ did my five year service for about $5100 two years ago.

 

Belt service labor is 22 hours

 

My experience is similar, just spent $5,500 on that service plus some minor additional work in Tacoma WA.

 

This is a frequent technical topic on here. Degreeing cams doesn't appear on any worksheet for my 575 or my 550, both with big history files from main dealers and specialists from former owners and also me. Should I assume it just happens? Do I need to worry.

On another note, Taz I like the eloquence of your mechanic. Struts losing their oomph! Most would just say Struts may need replacing.

 

Darius- Only way to know would be to ask. On a 550, the cams have to be removed to change the cam seals, so degreeing would be required. On the 575M, the seals can be replaced with the cams in place. After one good degreeing, generally a lock and swap will work fine as long as the 550 cam seals are not leaking.

Aaron and John are old friends, so a little humor goes over great. We did change the struts.

 

One of the cam seals on my 550 started to leak (very lightly, nothing worrying) after 3 years it was replaced during the belts service.
Does this happen a lot? Is it due to bad parts?

Stefano

 

Thanks Taz. Wish I'd known that before; learn a new thing every day on this board.

 

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/456-550-575-sponsored-bradan/388239-550-maintenance-cost-update.html

 

The 456/550 and 575/612 cam(shaft) seal kits are quite similar.

What is it about the design of the 575M/612 top ends that makes it possible to change these seals without removing the camshafts?

Or are we talking about the gaskets for the (red crackle painted) cylinder head / camshaft covers?
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Let me break it down for you:
Arm and a Leg. My mechanic always says: If you wanna play, you're gonna have to play.
Just make sure you enjoy your car when you drive her and dont really think about the cost. It won't hurt anymore after a while. LOL

Steve in NY

 

We are talking about the cam seals, like I said, not the cam cover seals. If you look at the 550 and 575M parts catalogs for the LH head, the cam end cover design was completely changed to facilitate seal replacement on the 575M. My techs built their own tool to make the job simple. One of the many upgrades from the 550 to the 575M.
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Do you mean parts 17 & 18 on these diagrams?

I see a third much smaller circular seal in the images of the kits that I posted above but I cannot spot these on those diagrams. Can you??

I will take a longer look later but I must say that I cannot quite visualise how the changes from 550 to 575M make it possible to replace them in situ on the later car but perhaps someone has some better images to share....

 

Ha, sorry to give you the news, but there are a lot of "since we are there" things that need to be done. But those things are what keep our cars from sitting on lots with for sale signs next to a burger king

I really do not mean that in a bad way. There are a lot of people that can buy a car, but cannot take care of it.

Asking the price of a procedure is good, and I am in accord with the previous post, yet if you just bought this car, and it is your first service, be prepared , as the "Boy scout marching song"

 

I am tired of these threads. I am sick of those who think they know the answer.

I have owned my 575 for 10 years. I have every single record since it was built. I bought the car from Roy Disney. I am prepared to scan and release each and every document on the car and explain.

It is not that complex, own the car and take care of it.

If you want me to scan an post everything I have from 10 years, I will show it.

It is expensive to own one of these things. But cheaper to care for it if you do what needs to be done. Waiting for a paycheck to fix "that thing" means you need to sell it.

 

Look I can understand if your reason is to just get a general idea(you could have used the search function for that) but if your reason is to hold your mechanic to account over an hour or 3, that just dos'nt make sense.

My mechanic explains things to me in quite a lot of detail so I can make an informed decision on which way to go, I expect(by the way he talks and thinks) that he will be thorough and therefore slower, this is exactly what I want rather than saving 1-3 hours by someone going as fast as possible because I've put the screws in.

 

So true! Price shoppers need not apply...The "while you're in there issues" and deferred maintenance items that are discovered often drive the anticipated costs upwards.

 

Hi Terry, I hate to give advice on stuff I don't understand but as you know my car gets more service than it needs I just had this major service done and since everything was going to be completely taken apart I also had them replace the water pump since it's so hard to get to.... it was not that expensive.
just my 2cents

 

I have a 550 and the only thing I would like to add is after having this service performed on mine and not replacing the hoses only to have one of the small hoses leak 2months later I just cannot see any reason not to replace the hoses while the car is apart just to easy for safe insurance...

 

Larry- Different story on the 550 and 575 for the big hoses, but not for the small hoses. On a 550, I would change all the hoses, on a 575M which probably had more frequent coolant changes, it would be on a case by case basis.

Bill- We decided my waterpump did not need it and they are easy to change separately.

 

Terry, is your water pump in a different place than mine ?

Mine is buried and be very hard to get to, I watched them take it out and was glad I replaced when everything was apart.

Hey Terry forgot to say happy Father's Day !!!! And to all the fathers on F-chat