512 Boxer Soon to be Daytona values?

Seems like daytona coupes are running north of 150K, does anyone else think that the 512 boxer could follow up on the daytona heels? 512's seem to be about 70-80K now whats a betting man think about seeing them above 100K in a year or two?

 

Wrong forum for this question.

Aside from that I'd say, yes, they definitely have the potential to go there. I think the folks who recently bought/are buying a boxer did a smart thing.

 

3 to 1 against.

 

Yeah and Mondials are gonna hit the $100k threshold soon after.

 

$ is in US muscle cars these days. I'm getting a 69 Shelby GT350

 

I agree on the $100k number, but it will probably take more than a year or two.

Boxers are real Ferraris, in both a good and bad sense. If you are going to buy one, you need either a fat checkbook or a willingness to get grease under your nails.

But they are very historically significant. The Boxer motor is the last production engine that can be traced to the race track. After the Boxer, Ferrari parted the waters. Production engines went into the cars. The race stuff was strictly for the race cars with only trickle down to the production cars.

Dale

 

308's can't be to far behind just a matter of time.

 

In a year or two? I'd say 5 to 1 against, at least.

It depends on how you are counting-- King Hussein's 365 Boxer sold for $150k this year, so maybe we're there now. Of course, at the same sale, an ordinary 512BB barely made $50k...

But for an average 512BB to get to $100k? That will be several years, at best. And I own one!

 

Other than the "rising tide" theory for all models, given inflation and a general increase in values of collector's cars of all types (i use that term advisedly), i don't really see it either, and i love the boxer- as i've said many times on this board, it's probably the only ferrari i owned that i now regret selling.
But, stranger things have happened. The 250 pf coupe was unloved for so long, and had far greater desirability as a chop/shop special for "recreations" yet prices have seemed to more than double in the last couple years; ditto the Lusso, which, granted may be one of the prettiest Ferraris, but it wasn't a huge performance car compared to its brethren of similar vintage and for years was depressed- again, more than double. 275 2-cams now sell for prices that were high market for 4 cams,not that a 2-cam car is undesirable, but for years it was at the bottom rung of 275 coupe prices. And, the 275 GTS, which was also a bit of a stepchild, and the 250 pf cabrio series II (which, to me, was the undervalued bargain of the decade in Ferrari circles) have both risen considerably in the last couple years. (Granted, front engine 12 cyl. Ferrari convertibles from that period should command a price...).

 

The only way I see it hitting $100k this next year is if you combine the $85k you pay for it and the $15k it costs for the pre-delivery maintenance (and of course the car wouldn't be delivered until 07!).

Dale does have the insider scoop on Boxers though. I would love a black one with red interior.

 

I'll admend my comment by saying that the 365 GT4 BBs will cross the $100k mark first. There were fewer of them, and they exclude the essense of the "Boxer."

Dale

 

The magic word is THIRTY FIVE.

Thats how many years it takes to realize appreciation in Ferrari circles.
What 70,s F car has apreciated yet
what 60's f car hasn't appreciated yet

Imagine what an 85 288 GTO will be worth in 2020!
BUY NOW! Bush says social security is not gauranteed for the baby boomers.
But a vintage ferrari IS!

 

OK, I'll buy 5 to 1 against. I was just worried that someone was going to take the bet, and I wanted to minimize my losses on the off-chance the market went crazy. :^)

 

Not likely with over 2k total Boxers made. Just too many out there to appreciate to that level.

 

Conventional wisdom says 3-5% per year appreciation. I would happy with no depreciation!!

Despite the CW, Boxers, well maintained, with proper engine out service, under 20,000 miles, will likely go to $100,000 in 3-5 years.

These under 10,000 miles cars today are bringing $70,000 privately, $80,000 from legitimate dealers. The under 5000 mile cars are bringing over $85,000, but they are a little scary if they have not had a recent engine out. The under 1000 mile car on Ebay is having trouble after three auctions bringing more than $85,000.

Anything over 25,000 miles today is only worth about $65,000 at best. Over 40,000 miles, with a recent engine out is worth $55,000 to $60,000, privately. You will always pay 10-15% more from a dealer, but then you hopefully receive a bit more security.

It is still the one car that Enzo really had in mind to put his name on. V-12, mid-engined, two seat, with looks to cause emotional mastubation.

 

Just out of curiousity, are you talking miles or km? For example, my Boxer has 31,000 km, which is under 20k miles. However, given that the odometer reads "31000" into which category would it fall?

 

Not sure i agree with this: "It is still the one car that Enzo really had in mind to put his name on. V-12, mid-engined, two seat, with looks to cause emotional mastubation."
I thought Enzo persisted, despite introduction of the Muira, and then the Countach, with the traditional front-engined set up, and suffered criticism for not getting radical in the design of the Daytona.
And, that famous quote that's always attributed to him, about the horsey in front really squares with the production cars associated with his name.
As to looks, i do agree that the car is still fabulous today, more than 30 years after its introduction.
Frankly, it's my impression that Enzo really didn't care too much about the production cars.
As to racing pedigree, i also had the impression that the BB/LMs were never winners in their day- but i'd still own one in a minute; one of the nastiest sounds i've ever heard from an engine of any type.

 

I remember the Shelby guys making the same statement about the 1967 Shelby Mustang just a little over two years ago. Look at the prices now! And there were 3,225 built in 67.

 

DONV: Miles.

 

Get it while its hot..I got a red on tan 83 BB512i..has not been fired up in almost 4 years..but it does have a new clutch...interior needs some TLC. The paint is excellent and original as best as I can tell..and it is a full Euro spec car. The only NA add on's are the cats.

 

Under 20k miles.

The faces of the speedos were changed to mph for federalization, but not the odometers.

 

I assume your car is up in Canada ? My understand is that (since all Boxers were grey market), once one has left the US - that it can't be brought back to the states.

Also, since the only NA add ons are the cats, would't it still have to undergo the full US federalization by Amerispec or someone like that?

Am I mistaken here or can someone clarify?

 

You are mistaken. First of all, if the car is 25 years old or older (i.e. 1980 or before), then I think it is exempt from DOT/EPA.

Second, even if it is not 25 years old, if it was properly federalized previously and has correct paperwork, I believe it can be brought back.

I think that what you cannot do is bring in a Boxer which is less than 25 years old and has never been federalized.

 

Thanks for the clarification Don,

Based on tom's brief description however, this Boxer might not fit either one of these parameters. It's less than 25 years old and sounds like it has never been federalized at all.

 

It will take awhile b4 the Box, is worth more than 100K. It will eventually get there. Another problem is that all of these cars, (for the most part) have been taken care of since day 1.


The Daytona should pull the Box, as it begins to soar.