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  1. PininfarinaSF

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    512M I am looking at has some issues that give me concern about what initially looked like a pretty nice car. First thing that caught my eye was black carpets on a tan interior car. They look like authentic carpets/mats but I have never seen black carpets on a tan interior car in a 512M or on any other Ferrari of that era. Second issue is that in one of the photos of the books/records the leather cover has what looks like white mold all over it. I've never seen that before. Third, the service records provided show a recent bill for $60,000 in service which mentions cleaning mold out of the engine bay and from under the car. Lastly, carfax shows a mileage inconsistency but no mentions of accidents or the car being in a flood.

    This car is being offered by an authorized Ferrari dealer otherwise I wouldn't even be asking about it anymore. Maybe I'm naive but I wouldn't think an authorized Ferrari dealer would want to mess around with some car that had been in a flood and had the odometer rolled back.

    I have been cautiously looking for a good manual V12 and have been looking between 512Ms and 550 Maranellos. Goes without saying that everything is priced at a sky-high number for whatever it is and I have no interest in getting into anything that is an unknown and going to cost me a fortune in time and money to make right after the purchase.

    I don't know what the etiquette is for sharing photos and service records provided by a dealer for a car currently for sale is these days but happy to share if that isn't frowned upon.

    Any input or thoughts would be welcomed.
     
  2. ryalex

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    Maybe I would consider a 1960s or earlier car with a mold remediation but personally I would avoid a 1990s car that had mold. I'm allergic and would always be concerned they never got it all out of the ventilation systems and seat cushions.
     
  3. PininfarinaSF

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    I didn't even know mold remediation was a thing with cars. How does a car even get mold that extensive without being submerged in water?
     
  4. turbo-joe

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    when you store the car with less air circulation and high humidity surroundings
     
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  5. dinotom1

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    I assume this is a European version? I run the US car registry for the 512M, off the top of my head, no car was ever ordered with Nero mats for a Pelle Beige interior. If it is a US Version, what series number is it and I will send you all the service/registration notes on that car.
     
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  6. PininfarinaSF

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    If you are willing and just an enthusiast/owner (not a broker/dealer) could you PM me?

    I believe the car is a US car and is currently advertised for sale at an authorized dealer. VIN: ZFFVG40A0S0100797. My initial impression is the car has been in a flood and had the odometer rolled back.

    I guess I shouldn’t be but I’m just shocked that factory authorized Ferrari dealers would participate in this kind of garbage. If what I wrote above is correct this will be the second time I have come across this kind of thing with a major authorized dealer. Last time was close to purchase of a F355 Fiorano and during PPI at an independent shop it was found that the car had been in a major accident.

    I guess they just stand to make so much money if they can get a taker at these inflated prices that they just don’t care.
     
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  7. LVP488

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    For me the 512M is overpriced (and ugly, but that's just a subjective statement) due to its rarity. A 512TR corrects all of the initial problems of the testarossa (small brakes, high center of gravity) for a more sensible price - and it also is better looking.
    Besides, Ferrari dealers involved with tempered odometers is old news.
     
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  8. Rifledriver

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    A Ferrari dealer is no different than any car dealer of any brand. Some are great, some are crooks and everything in between. With one difference. There is more money involved in single transactions so the incentive to work outside the lines can be very attractive to some.
    I ran the VIN through 2 data bases I have available. Both confirmed a US car of that VIN exists but neither yielded any details.
     
  9. PininfarinaSF

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    I personally like the 512M but am well aware many don’t.

    I don’t have a feel for the market outside a few insane prices I saw on auction sites for some ~2,000 mile examples.

    I’m not dying to own one but if I had the chance to purchase a quality example at a fair price for the specs at the time the desire is there. I also like the 550 Maranello but want something a bit special and finding an FHP Maranello in a color and condition I am happy with is assumably much harder.

    I wasn’t aware that odometer fraud was somewhat that was so prevalent with Ferrari dealers but I do see what you mean with there being tremendous financial incentives for them to try. Since the early 2000s it just seems like they can sell any piece of junk they want at whatever price they want so why waste time taking risks when you don’t need to.

    This is a link to the vehicle: https://www.ferraricf.com/inventory/used-1995-ferrari-f512-m-rwd-coupe-zffvg40a0s0100797/
     
  10. Rifledriver

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    The car has a Tubi muffler which I consider a negative. The cars are great out on the road for long drives and the noise from a Tubi just drives me out of the car. Additionally any car considered investment value needs to be 100% stock for that reason. Big negative to me.

    Anyone in the Ferrari business is very well aware of the dash leather issues and if there are no pictures of the dash top its typically because they are hiding sun damage issues. Very common in cars from Florida. There are no pictures of the dash top.There are pictures however of a very poor fitting and possibly warped glove box door. Also the leather panel below the instrument cluster does not fit well. That piece needs to be removed to remove the speedometer.
    The door seals are not in very good condition and those are NLA. Our 90 TR is 5 years older, has double the mileage and looks better cared for.
    Not a top dollar car.
     
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  11. msdesignltd

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    #11 msdesignltd, Oct 31, 2024
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    I have recently owned 2 tr's and 2 512tr's...the latter is such a rewarding car, I actually like the front end of the M better than the 512tr, and I like the rear of the 512tr better than the M...the 512 wheels are nicer than the M wheels...So If I could do it again, It would be a 95 M with a 512 rear and 512 wheels...thats perfection...Have a pro do a pre purchase inspection...you must!

    Do as I say though, not as I do...I bought my 94 sight unseen and got very lucky!
     
  12. PininfarinaSF

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    Beautiful car. I’m glad you got lucky. Appreciate your input.

    Having a pro (if you can find one) do a PPI is extremely necessary. It has saved me from several catastrophes.
     
  13. PininfarinaSF

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    Thank you for these details. Always nice to know the particular tells for each car.

    I agree with you on all points. Hope to have an opportunity to purchase a quality example at some point.
     
  14. U-Boat Commander

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    If there was mold in the car I would suspect that it was flooded in a Florida hurricane. I've seen moldy Ferraris that were flooded in a storm. Mold inside the car and under. What else is on the $60K repair bill? I'm guessing replacing electronics.
     
  15. dinotom1

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    Yes, that is a US Version, car #31.
    I attached the registry sites notes and the Oct Carfax (Thats where I get some of the service records if the owner isn't registered, which for this car they aren't).
    The car has never had any awards, so has never been shown in a Ferrari sanctioned event.
     

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  16. dinotom1

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    Also, there is a rumor that this car was owned by Arnold Palmer at one point in the past.
     
  17. PininfarinaSF

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    Thank you for this info. I wonder what the real story is of the car.
     
  18. PininfarinaSF

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    That is what must have happened here. Who knows but I get the sense that it must have suffered something like this and then been left to sit for some period of time afterwards. The service records make a few references to the electrical system but nothing that directly mentions replacing anything with the battery or the odometer.
     
  19. lagunacc

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    Humidity and lack of air circulation is sufficient.
     
  20. lagunacc

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    Carpet looks orig.
     

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