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512TR-Bonnet(trunk) release cable replacement

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  1. pce01

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    The bonnet cable on my 512TR failed at the fitting that connects it to the release latch handle. I ordered a new one from Ricambi. The emergency release works fine, so "bonnet" is still usable.
    Is there a recommended procedure for replacing the cable? I note that the cable is sheathed and the fitting on the end, or the sheathing will not fit through the small hole in the latch handle housing.
    Will it be preferable to remove the firewall carpeting to access the path of the cable?

    Thanks for any advice/recommendations.
     
  2. Steve Magnusson

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    If the existing sheath is in good condition, I would be tempted to disconnect the inner cable at the front hood latch end, and just remove the inner cable. Then install only the new inner cable by passing the bare end into the old sheath from the release handle end to the front bonnet latch. One thing that can help is not rigidly tightening the cable fitting at the handle so it has the freedom to move a little (like a ball joint) -- might take using two nuts or a nylock nut. (It's really a bad design on both TR and 512TR that puts a lot of stress on the inner cable where it joins the fitting when the handle is in the "up"/release position -- so that's where the inner cable breaks ;))
     
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    Steve,
    Thanks for the quick reply. The existing sheath seems to be fine, so worth a shot at that approach before a more radical process. That solves the problem of getting the cable fitting through the handle base. I did notice that the nut on the handle wasn't tightened all the way when I removed the stump of the swaged fitting at handle, so maybe it wasn't too tight, but 34 years of fatigue took it's toll, I guess.

    The old inner cable isn't visible at the handle end (has metal end "cap") as it has disappeared into the sheath, but I guess I may be able to push it out once it's disconnected at the latch itself, which looks like a fun process due to the cramped quarters.

    Just wondering how easy it will be to feed the inner wire through the sheath.

    When I get the part from Ricambi, I'll scope out the options.
     
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    This is good, but it isn't a complete solution. Another thing to do (if Ferrari didn't already do so) is to add large chamfers on each side of the hole in the fitting so it can pivot thru a larger angle. When the handle is down = everything lines up perfectly, but when the handle is raised = it puts a big "S" in the cable right at the fitting that stresses the snot out of the inner cable where it enters the fitting. It's like an interior leather guy did the handle mechanism design ;).
     
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    Steve, are you saying to chamfer the hole on the upper side of the housing (attached photo noting underside of hole) to allow for more movement of the inner cable?
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    No, on the sides of the hole in the aluminum fitting (that the stud passes thru) at the end of the inner cable.
     
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    Steve, did you mean on the sides of the aluminum "cap" fitting at the end of the outer cable sheath?
     
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    A photo is worth a thousand words ;). It looks like Ferrari has already done it some on the 512TR front bonnet 63088400 cable:

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    You need only a very small cylindrical portion of the hole in the middle of the fitting.

    Here's the TR front bonnet 61497300 cable end that doesn't have this "chamfer" improvement:

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    Steve, thanks for that clarification and your help. Yes, my car had the updated fitting. Here is a photo of the piece that broke off. I'll post an update after I receive the new cable and try to replace the old one, inner cable first.
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    I enlarge the hole in the plastic the cable goes through and the hole the outer cable sits in so the outer can float and achieve its own alignment. Never considered modifying the cable eye but not a bad idea.

    There were some aluminum knock offs made that once painted black were indistinguishable. I bought several when they were around and have them in my own TR. Indestructible.

    It was a good and trouble free part in the car it was designed for but its adaptation to TR was a bad idea. Should have had a bellcrank type lever pulling the cable straight but no one asked me.
     
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    Good advice. The immediate challenge will be fishing the inner (or outer) cable from the handle to the latch mechanism under the bonnet. Not exactly a straight shot. ;)
     
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    I do not replace the outer. When the new inner is installed, handy to have help. The end cap can partially cover hole and obstruct inner cable. Hany to have friend push cable while you wiggle end to align cable with hole. Do not forget to attach cable to handle prior to inserting cable.
     
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    Brian,
    Ok, thanks for that info.
    Currently the old inner cable isn't extended beyond the end cap. So my tentative plan is:
    1. Disconnect inner wire/cable at the latch in the bonnet.
    2. Push on it, to extend it out of the other end at the end cap. Probably lubricating it during this process.
    3. Pull the old inner cable out of the outer sheath at the latch handle end.
    4. Attach the new cable to the handle.
    5. Push the new cable through and attach it to the under hood latch.
    6. Adjust the mechanism.

    Any thoughts on that plan?
     
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    Steve and Brian,
    Thanks. I completed the job as planned yesterday. Very challenging to access the bolt where the inner wire cable attaches to the arm of the latch due to the restricted area. As recommended, I had a friend assist with moving the wire cable, while I aligned it with the hole in that bolt. It also took a few repeat tries at tightening the wire cable to insure reliable operation of the latch, but all is good now.
     
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    Steve,
    See results above. Thanks for your help.
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    Very good -- looks like they increased the size of the chamfers even more on the latest 512TR fitting (compared to your old one).
     

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