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512tr rattle/bang in back when I hit a bump

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  1. tf308

    tf308 Formula 3

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    Anyone chase down any rattle (but more of a subtle bang) with their TRs?(coming from the back)

    Could it be the fit of the decklid?

    I thought it was the gas filler lid...but it isn't. So before I drive myself crazy, I thought I would ask others.

    Thanks
     
  2. RQtetto

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    Hi Tim,

    At one point my TR had a banging sound in the rear that corresponded with the rear deck lid caution light illuminating on the dashboard display. It would bang and light up over every bump or dip in the road. You might have another issue, but this was mine.

    The cause was that I had tried earlier to gently close the lid by pushing it down. The passenger side of the lid didn't lock all the way and was bouncing around. I later learned to drop the lid from a height of about 4 or 5 inches to get it to lock properly. Apparently this is the recommended procedure and it works every time.

    Don't try this on the front hood lid, though. That you have to gently push down directly over the latch points with the palm of your hand on a soft cloth. I sometimes just use my whole fore-arm to distribute the force over a larger area. The aluminum can bend easily if you press down on too small an area, like using your fist.

    Rob
     
  3. Melvok

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    But ... it could also be something in the achses / drivetrain ... (hope not but ...) ?

    I would consult a shop ...
     
  4. tf308

    tf308 Formula 3

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    Does everything have to go back to a drive train issue with these cars?

    did yours do this?

    is your decklid silent? it seems w the mesh and rivets holding the deckled together....but that is why I'm asking others

    the gas cover also seems suspect

    Is the decklid removal difficult? I could remove it and see if the sound persists
     
  5. OptimusPrime

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    My car is a 88 TR but may have had a simialar problem. I had both of the Exhaust metal brackets that cracked I believe due to vibration as the crack was along the weld line. The Tubi exhaust would move enough so that one of the pre cats (pipes) would hit the lower panel in back when I hit a bump or excellerated hard. Rewelded the brackets and bent them straight and no more banging. I would get back there and push on the exhaust gently and see if anything is loose and hitting anything.

    Also the suspension may make noise like that if you have something loose, bad bushing or something. You can gently bounce the back of the car and see if it makes noise. On a previous car I had an issue with a banging noise that took forever to figure out and it was only after the need to replace a clutch that a missing tool was found down in the frame area that was bouncing arround. As for the deck grill, it is easy to remove, but you should be able to gently grab each grill and wiggle it to see if one is loose or hit it softly with your hand from underneath to see if it is loose and bangs same with deck lid, no need to remove in my opinion. There are 4 grill sections to the TR, not sure about the 512 front, rear, right, and left grills. I would avoid taking the engine bonnet off to find this problem as you can cause yourself more headach if you don't get it back exactly where it was...very tricky to align sometimes even when markings are present and I view it as a two person job.

    Good luck, keep us posted
     
  6. 302Tim

    302Tim Formula 3

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    With the decklid make sure the rubber bumpers are contacting the lid when closed.

    You might also check the fiberglass engine cover that bolts to the deck lid--it's pretty light and wouldn't really cause a "bang" but it's one more thing in that area. Attached with four 6mm (10mm wrench) nylock nuts.
     
  7. tf308

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    Found the problem today.....

    The exhaust bolt holding the cat to the precat was sticking out just enough to catch the bracket that holds on the lower bumper/exhaust cover.

    If I hit a big enough bump...the exhaust hanger spring would compress, and the head of the bolt would hit.

    Happy Day. I have finally fixed every small issue with this car and its running perfectly.

    It is always great when you buy a car and go through it yourself and determine everything is as it should be.
     
  8. Red Head Seeker

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    Hello Tim; Excellent job in self diagnosing the problem. I can only imagine the shop bill if you had taken the car to a Ferrari Dealership....OUCH!!!!!!!.....Mark
     
  9. tf308

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    So...I actually am 100% sure I found it today.

    With the rear shocks off, I could move the suspension up and down and vibrate the rear end.

    I always thought it could have been the gas lid because the sound always seemed to be coming from that area.

    It was the joint where the air ducts on top of the radiator opens to feed the air intake on the 512tr. It sits right below the fuel door.

    The bracket was loose allowing it to bang. i tightened it up, shook the suspension, and the noise is gone. Serenity at last.
     
  10. Schulz308

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    Glad to hear it was simple. I was going to suggest lookin for a dead hooker in the trunk but that would not be the case when it comes to a TR. These things most often turn out to be simple fixes. IMO they are Well built cars really.
     
  11. tf308

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    I agree that they are generally well made. The air intakes on the 512tr are very different from the TR.

    I post these so that others that may have a similar problem have a reference point.

    Unless I had the inner wheel panel out and no tension on the rear suspension (currently rebuilding my shocks) it would have been hard to locate.
     
  12. Melvok

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    :D
     
  13. qwazipsycho

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    OK, you found your noise but I just want to mention that when I bought my car it had a banging noise over bumps. Turned out that the L brackets welded to the frame where the belly pans are bolted on broke off. This appears to be a common problem and leaves the belly pans flopping around.

    The F dealer chose to fix it WRONG. Typical work from Stuarts Ferrari of Denver. NEVER HAVE WORK DONE THERE! They drilled and tapped holes in the frame and installed rubber stand offs and then drilled corresponding holes in the belly pan. It's not a big deal but it's just not right. Of course I have NEVER had anything done correctly at F of Denver.
     
  14. tf308

    tf308 Formula 3

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    Cool...that truly was not my problem though. I did remove those pans to drop my fuel tanks and change the internal fuel pump gaskets (rotted with ethanol) All went back on nice and securely.

    What bothered me is that it always seemed to be near the fuel door on the driver side behind my head. I must have played with it 50 times thinking that it was causing my noise. The air intake tunnel is bolted to the wheel well arch right below the fuel door.
     

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