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  1. ixlr8

    ixlr8 Formula Junior

    Aug 24, 2015
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    I am due for a major service on my 01 550. I live in Maine and I am looking for a place in New England to do a quality job. According to the service records I have, the last two belt changes were done by a Volvo dealership!! So I question the quality of those jobs. I have called about every shop in New England that I know of and I get lots of different answers as to how to set up the cam/crank timing. It has varied from the 'mark and pray' method, to just line up all the marks on the crank and cams. I have only talked to one shop that actually has a degree wheel, but I didn't get the feeling they were sure how to use it!!?? Is setting the crank and cams to the marks good enough? Presently the car is scary quick to me, but I don't think it has the power to spin the wheels in 2nd gear like some folks have said it should be able to do. I did find a place in NY that has a degree wheel and knows how to use it. But I didn't want to have to ship the car that far. But, if that is what I need to do to get the car correct, I will. I will post a thread in the New England section to get recommendations on where to get the car serviced in case I missed any.
    If I want the car to be spot on, do I need to keep searching for someone who can actually use a degree wheel and set the cams correctly and not depend on the marks on the cams?

    Thanks, Jim
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jul 19, 2008
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    There are two types of cambelt changes, one where you degree the cams and one where you do what is called a lock and swap. It takes an experienced tech to do the degreeing of the cams. Lock and swaps are much easier, but still require a tech who knows what he is doing. Normally, you would degree the cams if you had little knowledge of what has been done in the past, like your Volvo dealership work possibly. Next time around if nothing had changed, a lock and swap might be all you needed.

    Timing marks on the cams are actually assembly marks to ensure the tech does not bend valves when tightening down the camshaft caps after removing them to change cam seals or clean lifters. They are not precise enough for setting timing but make a good reference after timing is complete. When Ferrari timed the cams, they scribed marks on the aft of camshaft that are much closer to being precise. These can only be seen with a mirror when the engine is installed, but are a better reference than the assembly marks.

    Many Ferrari dealerships have younger mechanics that may not be fully competent on the older Ferraris with belt driven camshafts, the last of which was the 612. So you need to ask the experience level of whomever you choose to do the job.

    Our sponsor Bradan is really competent and will send their vehicle to get yours. You can be guaranteed the job will be done correctly with them. Give them a call.
     
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  3. 12659

    12659 Formula Junior

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    Bradan, will do it right.
     
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  4. ixlr8

    ixlr8 Formula Junior

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    Terry- Thank you for the details on the cam/crank setup. I had read Moorfan's 550 sorting thread which gave me a clue that doing the crank/cam setup was not something quick and simple if it was done properly. Degreeing the cams is what I want done, I am afraid "lock and swaps" are what have been done in the past.
    Bradan is the shop in NY that I talked with that gave me the impression they knew what they were doing. But I am outside of their pickup zone and it is going to cost over $1K to ship the car to them.
     
  5. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    its worth the 1k...
     
  6. ttforcefed

    ttforcefed F1 World Champ
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    you cld also send to P1 in stamford. Bradan is awesome and has been great to me since he started the business but they're a long way away from maine. Tommy at p1 in stamford CT can take care of the car.
     
  7. henryr

    henryr Two Time F1 World Champ
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    i 2nd dan at bradan

    great shop
     
  8. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    You could always drive her to Bradan. Will cost less than $1K.

    Unfortunately, we had a really competent Ferrari mechanic in New England, but he moved to Florida recently. Tired of snow.
     
  9. ixlr8

    ixlr8 Formula Junior

    Aug 24, 2015
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    I wish I could drive it to a shop, it is a 8-9 hr drive to Bradan's depending on NYC traffic. Last time I drove the car, when I pulled into my garage there was a few drops of antifreeze on the floor behind the car and when I opened the hood there was steam coming up around the center of the intake manifold. Three hours later there was a large puddle of water under the car. So new cooling system hoses are also on the list for replacement.
    Terry, I did have said mechanic look at my car before he moved to FL and he said he didn't have the tools to do a full timing setup on my car.
     
  10. stevepaa

    stevepaa Formula Junior
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    I did mine, but I conferred with Braden on the cam timing specification as they did the job on my car for the PO.
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jim- Leaks of water hoses underneath the plenum are a common 550 problem. Best solution is swapping to silicone hoses from the 575M or one of the good aftermarket manufacturers. The 575M did not update all the hoses, but only the ones that caused most of the problems. Unfortunately you have to remove the plenum to replace, but they will do that anyway to degree the cams. They will also put in the upgraded intake manifold gaskets compared to the old paper ones. New ones are metal with a rubber/composite coating.

    Many issues on older Ferraris are caused by previous owners not changing coolant frequently enough. Should be every 2 years if using G05. Additives die after 2 years. There are newer coolants with organic acid technology that last longer, but the G05 works fine if changed frequently.
     
  12. ixlr8

    ixlr8 Formula Junior

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    A quick follow up- After talking with, or visiting, all of the shops that have been recommended here, except one, Bradan is picking up the car this week. They are going to do the Major and take care of some other issues that are nagging me. I'm hoping it doesn't snow here in New England before I get the car back and have to put it in storage for the winter.
     
  13. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Wise decision. Might as well get it done correctly at a fair price. Dan (Brad and Dan, get it ?) will probably find some things you missed, too, and ask if you want them done.
     
  14. ixlr8

    ixlr8 Formula Junior

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    Things Bradan does as part of their "standard" Major, others are either asking extra for or don't consider necessary to be done. They are also very reasonably priced, less expensive than most I talked with. As they have never worked on this car before, they said they were going to do a full PPI to see what else it needs. After I bought the car, I had a PPI done by the Ferrari guy in NH, before he gave up on the snow and headed for FL. It will be interesting to see to compare findings.
     
  15. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    I am really surprised that many shops don't even own a degree wheel. I have three of different sizes.
     
  16. ixlr8

    ixlr8 Formula Junior

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    I was surprised at the number of Ferrari shops that either didn't have a degree wheel, or didn't have the correct size wheel for the 550, or didn't seem to know the procedure to use the wheel. I didn't try the dealerships as I have had a bad experience at one and the other is reputed to be very expensive, even by Ferrari standards. I only found 3 shops in NY or New England that are prepared, and knowledgable, to properly use a degree wheel on the 550.
     
  17. Jürgen Geisler

    Jürgen Geisler Formula Junior

    Jan 16, 2015
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    Well, my service of changing belts is due for the comming season... Have done just 1.000 miles since the last change, five years ago. Trust my specialist, he‘s serving Ferrari‘s from all over Europe…


    Saluti,

    Jürgen
     
  18. yelcab

    yelcab F1 World Champ
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    If any of you is in doubt about having the right mechanic working on your Ferrari 456/550/575, talk to Paul Chua who just bought a 456. If the shop does not own a degree wheel, you need to move on to the next shop.
     

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