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550 Brake lights still not working

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  1. PRS Guitarist

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    My brake lights are still not working on my 2000 550. I have done the following:

    The center brake light light (Rear window) works.
    The reverse lights work
    The tail lights work
    The bulbs are good
    The windshield wipers work (same fuse #4)
    No sign of dampness in fuse panel car is garage kept.
    No other electrical issues noted.

    Another chatter said to check the connection in the tunnel but not sure which connectors to check (Ferrari used orange wire for more than one connection) Picture would help. The schematics in the manual are terrible.

    Any suggestions?
     
  2. AVIMAX

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    #2 AVIMAX, May 10, 2017
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    If everything else checks out as you've mentioned, you should check the brake light switch, #9 in the attached. Located at the brake pedal.
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  3. PRS Guitarist

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    If the switch were bad the center brake light would not light from what I understand...
     
  4. AVIMAX

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    Oops, you are correct. Don't know how I missed that when I read your post, its the second line.
     
  5. Laserguru

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    #5 Laserguru, May 10, 2017
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    If I can extrapolate from a long and sordid history with Alfa electrics, it's never the running electrics like alternator, coil, Magnetti Marelli stuff, but with all the other electrical gear....switches, connectors, lights, etc.

    I learned over the years that the first thing to check is the grounding of any piece of the system to the bodywork. I would guess that your rear lights are not making ground contact through whatever lug or screw to the bodywork is supposed to provide the return path. Find it, take it loose, clean the hell out of it with 0000 steel wool and reconnect it. I'll give you 50/50 odds on bad ground. Just a guess, but one founded on classic Italian electrical systems....

    Good Luck.
     
  6. PRS Guitarist

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    I will "Jump" the ground at the light and see if that works, not sure where the ground for the brake lights is as all the wires go to a connector and disappear into the void. Will let you know how that goes,
     
  7. 166&456

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    It could still be the brake light switch. Some brake switches are dual switches for added safety to the cruise control system. These switches do fail on occasion which can be a hazard. If dual, it could be that one half powers the third brake light and the other half the normal brake lights. This also leaves open the possibility of a blown fuse as dual brake switches often are separately fed over two different fuses for the same reason. You checked for dampness, did you also check the fuses??
    Last, the wiring harness to the third brake light is probably separate from the harness to the trunk, so it could be you have an oxidized connector somewhere.
     
  8. AVIMAX

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    #8 AVIMAX, May 12, 2017
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    There are 2 harnesses running to the back of the car and it looks like the 3rd brake light and the rear lights are in separate harnesses. I don't see any grounding of the lights at the lights, at least not on the schematic, there is most likely some common ground points to ground many things. Not sure if you have the WSM, so just in case here is a excerpt that may help you trace. They will make you dizzy staring at them, but they helped me sort out some electrical problems. I highlighted the rear stop lights. Good luck.
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  9. Rifledriver

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    550 wiring diagrams are some of the worst and most inaccurate ever produced by Ferrari. I typically ignore them because the errors almost always costs me more time than just figuring it out blind.
     
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    I know it sounds dumb but it might be faster to wire the lights fresh. I think you are lucky you have lost connection to such a simple item.
     
  11. PRS Guitarist

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    Rifle and FBB are right on cue. Avi - dizzy is not the right word for the confusion generated by trying to follow the schematics on that page. Can i run a wire from the third brake light to the rear lights? I can't imagine the load would be too great and the wire is accessible where it goes into the trunk. Thoughts gentlemen? PS.. FBB all my "Luck" usually comes with a side of c*ck.. funny how that black cloud that follows me doesn't keep me from getting sunburned.
     
  12. Rifledriver

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    To me that would be a repair of last resort. Sorry but it will more resemble a farm tractor repair.

    You have power going from the switch to the back half of the car. The diagnosis at this stage will not be difficult and a quality repair should be done.


    Have you tested all the bulbs? I have seen many cars with every brake light bulb burned out.
    Have you tested for ground at every socket? If not why not?
    Have you tested for power at every socket? If not why not?


    Following the factory diagrams is not difficult. Trying to reconcile why circuits cannot electrically function as presented is difficult.
     
  13. JohnnyRay

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    +1 Get out your multi-meter and check for power when the brake is applied. And check the bulbs. If you have tail light operation, then the ground is likely fine.
     
  14. PRS Guitarist

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    Update...
    Tail lights and reverse lights share a common ground
    Reverse lights work!
    There is continuity between the two lights (all three wires)when checked with an ohm meter. Wires are orange, black/red and black.
    B/R wire is for reverse lights
    Lights bulbs were tested in a different slot and worked fine.

    Ground is good
    More than one orange wire in the tunnel
    seems to be a splice between the left lights and the right lights
    Ohm meter shows continuity in these wires.

    Open to suggestion as far as anything else to check before my mechanic can get me in.
    If you are following along in the workshop manual Light B works on the left side and gets brighter with brakes applied. Light E does not work at all on either side. Light D works on both sides. Light C works on both sides.
     
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  18. PRS Guitarist

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    Could this be two separate issues? Does the brake light switch have stages that could could fail and still allow this to light? I don't want to just start blindly replacing parts.
     

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