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  1. Vereeken

    Vereeken Formula Junior

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    So we know there is no procedure/interval for replacing coolant. But if one actually would replace it what would be the recommendation for the coolant?

    What would be the % of anti-freeze one would require for a climate with mild winters....
     
  2. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    50-50 Zerex G-05. There is a procedure for changing the coolant, just no recommendation for a change interval in the maintenance schedule.

    Do not use G-48, which is what Mercedes and BMW use, because it does not have nitrites for the wet cylinder liners. Their engines do not have wet liners.
     
  3. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    I like an every 2 year replacement standard 50% mix with water. Extended life can go 5 years but I'm not a fan of that on Ferraris. There has been minimal reports of 550 liner cavitation with unknown cause. That's the reason for nitrates needed as part of the additive package. Cavitation is a known issue in diesel motors. Cummins 6.7liter diesels are all over the world in pick-up trucks and big work trucks. You might not get zerex g05 in Belgium. Any coolant that is acceptable for the diesel cummins motor should be fine for the 550. Do 550's need a diesel additive package? We don't know but it certainly will not hurt to have these additives except the coolant is more costly that generic stuff in your Fiat.
     
  4. Vereeken

    Vereeken Formula Junior

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    Thanks guys.

    I did some searching and as you rightfully point out Valvoline Zerex is hard to get in Belgium.
    This country is a hell hole after all.
    But G-05 gylsantin is the true ingredient and that is from BASF. Wouldn't you know they have a big plant in Belgium ;o)

    I will try to find out from them which brands carry the G-05 ingredient....

    G-05 carries the Nitrates and that is what we need for our Fiats.
     
  5. au-yt

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    Can I add a question while we are on the coolant question.
    I have read some good reports about Redline water wetter and its ability to reduce point of contact boiling. Has any one used this I addition to coolant?
     
  6. Vereeken

    Vereeken Formula Junior

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    Redline water wetter is like STP. Ok maybe not but ...

    G-05 does exactly what Redline is supposed to do. It increases the boiling point of water.

    G-05 does 3 things:

    1 It increases boiling point of water
    2 It is an anti-freeze
    3 It is a corrosion inhibitor. Nitrates are what is used.

    There are other G-0x from BASF but each is formulated for a different kind of engine. Only G-05 is for the Maranello.

    You can buy G-05 pure in Germany in the shops.
    In the UK it is used in ready made form in a product called COMA
    Valvoline uses it also in its products to consumers
    BMW and Mercedes use it from factory.

    If you live in Belgium like me you are F-ed.

    Sigh....
     
  7. au-yt

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  8. Cribbj

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    Water Wetter's main claim to fame is a surface tension reducer or surfactant.

    It also seems to react with some coolants and produces a brown slime in the cooling system (AMHIK). Google "Water Wetter Brown Slime".

    It doesn't seem to do this with all coolants, but I was running BMW's coolant in my 550 with a bottle or two of WW and it produced the brown slime.

    I ran it in another car for years (a very high output turbo-six), with Prestone coolant, and had very good results with it.
     
  9. fastradio

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    My experiences mirror yours, John. A good product, but with some caveats...
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Nitrites, guys, not nitrates. You process meat with nitrites (NO2-) and make explosives with nitrates (NO3-). React completely differently in solutions like coolant.
     
  11. Vereeken

    Vereeken Formula Junior

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    Sorry...it was an honest mistake...but it is funny though...

    Anyway I will not be making any explosives as it seems Glysantin G05 is as elusive as an honest politician on election night...
     
  12. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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  13. AVIMAX

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    #13 AVIMAX, Aug 2, 2016
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    Terry, you mention that our engines need nitrites, but when I do a search for Glycoshell, the data sheet I find says it is nitrite free. I am no expert when it comes to antifreeze selection, so I'm curious if the recommended Glycoshell is now not considered the best option? Maybe I'm reading something incorrectly, or maybe what I found online is not correct.
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  14. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Ryan- No, you figured it out. Glycoshell is definitely not the best coolant for Ferraris, regardless of the fact it is the Ferrari recommended coolant. Ferrari is very loyal to Shell and some of their recommendations are compromised because of that. Especially since they do not recommend changing coolant at all in the maintenance schedules. We already have one owner on here that had a liner corrode through from cavitation because an earlier owner never changed the coolant.

    It is likely G48 coolant would work fine in Ferraris if changed frequently enough, but why not put the stuff in there designed to prevent cavitation corrosion? Most of us far prefer another oil than the recommended Shell products, same thing with coolant. There are some strange Shell recommendations for F1 systems, too, when Tutela CS Speed was designed for F1 systems.
     
  15. AVIMAX

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    Sounds good to me Terry. No idea about the previous owner(s) of my car, but I change the antifreeze every spring along with all the oils and other yearly maintenance items. For a few bucks and 10 minutes time, can't hurt.
     
  16. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Ryan- She will never give you problems if you do that, and just about any anti-freeze would work. Zerex G05 is easy to find in Canada/US, though, and is relatively inexpensive to boot.
     
  17. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Just about every diesel coolant has an anti cavitation additive package. Gas engines don't use anti cavitation additives because they are not supposed to cavitate. But was see that under some conditions they can. So using an anti cavitation additive package is just protection like a condom.

    I don't run cats on my racecar. I even use diesel oil in my gas racecar motor because it is cheaper and has more antiwear Zinc that pollutes gas cat converters.

    The bottom line is understanding some materials science can get you a long way or you can just ask Taz.
     
  18. Vereeken

    Vereeken Formula Junior

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    G05 is available in Belgium through dealers that sell COMMA products for people that are intrested.

    It is very difficult otherwise to come by in Belgium.

    Comma G05 Xtreme has Glysantin on board.

    The closest thing to G05 is G48. That is found in a lot of products you can buy off the shelf.

    G05 has a lifespan of at least 6.000 hours....color is Yellow.
     

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