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  1. dakharris

    dakharris Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Are you sure? Check post 2 of this thread that mentions the proper TOOL to be used. You are taking on two of the most respected members of this forum and all of F-Chat, for that matter. No one will give it a second thought if you end it here.
     
  2. ferraridriver

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    #27 ferraridriver, Nov 5, 2010
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    I have no dog in this fight but from the 550 manual.

    That said I suspect that my 77 year old hands can not tighten an oil filter near as tight as a pair of 30 year old hands.

    I reckon that's the reason for the torque specification in the 575 manual, consistency.

    I'll use the oil filter socket I have and a wrench thank you very much.
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  3. 308 GTB

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    #28 308 GTB, Nov 5, 2010
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    In all fairness, the 550 Workshop Manual says just that.
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  4. 308 GTB

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    I reckon so too.
     
  5. tazandjan

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    #30 tazandjan, Nov 5, 2010
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    Affirmative, that is a 575M WSM excerpt. They learn and change things. Just like the WSM for the 550 says you only need a belt change every 30,000 miles with no time interval. We would have tons of Maranellos here in the States that had never had a belt change if that were followed. And just like the Technical Bulletin that changed the 550 interval to 3 years and the 575M interval to 5 years. We have at least one 550 owner here who owns a car where the belts broke at 29K+ miles, right? The 575M WSM says 3 years and so does the OM and neither changed through the 2002, 2003, and 2005 editions of the OMs and updates of the WSM. A tech bulletin changed it to 5 years.

    The difference between us amateurs and the pros is we usually have one piece of technical data (like a 550 WSM or OM written in 1996) we use and the pros like Brian have not only seen the tech bulletin and later model WSM updates, but the problems that caused the tech data to change in the first place. We had this discussion with a 360 owner whose WSM says to just inspect the brake and clutch fluid, even though the OM says to change it annually and so do other WSMs. Eventually he believed us, but was still whining to the end.

    Crud, we even have 308 owners still hunting for Fram 2804s and oil from 35 year old tech data until someone sets them straight.

    So any time Brian offers to help, I usually listen and learn, even if I do take a little crap along the way.

    Dave- Mine takes 12 liters and that is 12 l/0.946 qts/l or 12.7 qts.

    Taz
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  6. 166&456

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    #31 166&456, Nov 6, 2010
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    That's what I thought (and wrote about) too. But I can think of another reason this was changed. I think Ferrari probably once had a customer sueing them over this. It only takes one customer destroying his engine because he forgot to put oil in, and then sueing Ferrari for a new engine using this entrance, claiming the oil was lost through a loose oil filter. A lawyer will see an entrance for a case here.

    Subsequently Ferrari changes the manual, and now all of a sudden all of us should follow this new directive, even though the directive was not given because of a real issue with the previous practice?

    Any mechanic taking any pride in his work will do it the way he sees fit, and will not allow an engine to be lost or an oil slick to be formed behind a car maintained by him. I consider myself to be such a mechanic. If I would ever have been in doubt, I would have used a socket for a filter, but there was never a reason to do so, and this thread will not change that. My words contained nothing to warrant Brian's statement that my work would be improper and make a car -any car- unsafe. I take pride in proper work, and that was hurt in this thread.
     
  7. canadianferrarista

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    This is for information only.

    I had my oil & filters changed yesterday and it took 10.5 litres and is registering at the maximum on the dip stick.
     
  8. tazandjan

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    Domenic- Like Brian said, results will vary. The thermostat may not have been open for your oil radiator, who knows? Check it again after driving it and getting it hot and see if it is the same level.

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  9. canadianferrarista

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    Terry,
    I just came back from coffee & cars after a half hour drive when I checked it.
    I watched my Ferrari tech drain the oil and he even measured what came out of the car with a graduated container.

    I am just wanting to know for my own info, the exact amount that this car takes.......I guess I want to know as much as possible about my car and my Ferrari Tech assures me that the oil was basically completely drained......He used Pentosin....Made in Germany and the oil has a very light color to it compared with the dark synthetic that was in the engine previously. I am guessing that if the oil still is clear like in the jug, it must have been close to completely drained.

    I just posted out of my own experience and in no way am trying to create a debate with anyone.....I respect and appreciate all the experienced Ferrarista on here.......:)
     
  10. tazandjan

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    Dominec- It would not surprise me if every one of them took a different amount of oil to fill. One of the wonders of owning a Ferrari. I note every model has a different dry sump tank, or at least a different part number, but they all have the same sump cover from the 456 through the early 612s. Could be the tanks vary in capacity, even for the same part number. Who knows? Guess that confirms what Brian said. Put oil in it until it is nearly full and then very carefully fill it the rest of the way. Overfilling is way worse than being a liter or so low.

    Taz
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  11. 550JAB

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    I notice in the procedure quoted by Taz, that you should check oil level with the engine idling, whilst the owners manual states that the oil level should be checked immediately after the engine has stopped.

    Which is correct?

    Julian
     
  12. tazandjan

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    Julian- Those procedures are directly from the 575M workshop manual. Why not try it both ways and see if there is any difference? Ferrari likely changed the procedure to get more consistent results, like they did for oil filter torque. Owner results would vary depending on how long it took them to get the dipstick measurement after shutting down. The result will always be very close if taken while idling if the oil is fully warmed.

    Taz
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  13. Buxton

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    What is the filter torque spec?

     
  14. ferraridriver

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    See post #2

    21 newton meter = 15.488 805 093 pound foot
     
  15. 550JAB

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    Thanks Taz, I'll post the outcome
     
  16. Genyosai

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    I'm just getting a 550 and doing tons of "what to know" research before it arrives. I'm finding that this engine is very, very similar to the one in my 612. Anyway, I'm currently researching oil and gearbox capacities and ran across this thread.

    Is 10 litres really wrong? 10 litres equates to almost 11 US quarts. So, could 12 litres as quoted above be right? I just want to make sure, because that would be almost 13 US quarts.

    Thanks.

    --Nick
     
  17. dakharris

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    It takes 12 quarts.
     
  18. Genyosai

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    Cool. How many qts of fluid does the gearbox hold? I'm getting ready before the car gets here in case there's no owner's manual.

    Thanks.
     
  19. dakharris

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    The fluid volumes in the owners manual are not all correct. Then, any time that you drain and refill, you will likely never get all of the old fluid out.
     
  20. tajaro

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    Those are imperial gallons too not Yankee gallons....
     
  21. Patek

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    Be careful, I know a man who over filled the oil in his 550. He had to do a $14,000 "tune Up" after that stunt. They had to take the engine apart and make sure no rods were bent, check everything. Would have been much better to run it down to the dealer.
    I don't do my own changes just because of this, plus they may see something i don't see that needs fixing on a car that is 13 years old.
    Best,
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  22. Andrew D.

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    The 456 is a dry sump system like my 993. I check the oil when its running and go to the middle of the fill mark. Works for me. When I first got it I overfilled a little,started to blow smoke out of the exhausts,drained half a quart and it was ok-no damage but I felt a little foolish. Perhaps you get the bent parts if you rev to max when overfull? Now I fill a little at a time with the last 3 quarts till the level is just right.
     
  23. dersark_painclinic

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    There is no majic, I do it myself all the time. There is no worry to overfill or under fill. Drain the sump and the oil tank and two filters that would take 12quarts. If you drain the oil cooler too which I do all the time you will need additional quart. That's all. Then you will be proud of yourself. It is a straight forward issue. The main headache is removing the under tray. Don't forget to change the gaskets. Use redline 5w40 oil, it's stay fresh till next oil change.
    Sark.
     

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