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  1. 00 550

    00 550 Formula Junior

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  2. cwwhk

    cwwhk Formula 3

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    If you have a Becker unit then it uses a standard DIN plug common on all European car stereos. So I am sure you can easily buy an off the shelf DIN to Sony harness.
     
  3. maranello72

    maranello72 Formula Junior

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    cwwhk,

    nice work!
    I was also planning on replacing my OEM Sony CD changer as it is too prone to skipping.
    Can the original xr-f20 radio control the CDX-T69 changer?
    Is the CDX-T69's connector to the wiring loom the same as the OEM changer's?

    Thanks in advance,
    Stefano
     
  4. cwwhk

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    Yes, CDX-T69 has exact same wiring as OEM changer. It seems all Sony 6 and 10 disc CD changers as well as MD changers made since late 1990s use the Sony Bus 8 pin wiring. So you can use XR-F20 to control any Sony CD or MD changers made in the last 10 years. If you add a source selector module such as XA-C30 you can control up to 3 changers.

    OEM CD changer does not have any read ahead memory buffer, so it depends purely on the suspension to deal with bumps. I remember when I bought my car new in 1998 the price difference between a Sony 6 disc changer with or without read ahead memory buffer was something like $40. Somehow I'm not surprised Ferrari chose the lowest spec equipment.
     
  5. Taunom@msn.com

    Aug 23, 2011
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    love your idea, and have the stuff on order to do the same.
    a question if i may. on the rear speaker cover or mounting unit, i see three screws along the bottom and one on the top by the post. is their one more at the rear point or just the 4??
    grea idea and thanks.
     
  6. cwwhk

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    Thanks. Yes, there is one more screw at the end not shown in my picture. You have to remove the 3rd brake light trim to access it.
     
  7. maranello72

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    #32 maranello72, Apr 2, 2012
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    I've replaced my front OEM speakers with a pair of Sony XS-F1027SE. They fit perfectly onto the original spacers and have double the power rating (30W vs 15W).
    The original speakers were still in perfect condition though. Notice that I've de-soldered the sockets to re-solder them directly to the Sonys' terminals. I've maintained the original polarity.

    I am now waiting for the CD changer replacement (same as cwwhk's) that I got on Ebay....

    Stefano
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  8. Taunom@msn.com

    Aug 23, 2011
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    i noticed two small wire tails with connectors on the back speaker picture. did you get rid of the yellow ferrari connectors, and get new connectors? if so, doyou know the make and model and where you got them?
    as an update i have everything apart, and have modified the rear holes, everything is here except the butyl mat, and things will go back together when it gets here. can,t wait.
     
  9. maranello72

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    The speakers in the photo are the old OEM ones. I removed the yellow connectors by desoldering them and then pulling them (strongly) from the frame. That's why you don't see them in the photo. I then soldered them to the new Sony speakers so I wouldn't have to modify the connector on the car's wiring loom.

    Does the seatbelt assembly have to be removed to access the rear speakers?

    Stefano
     
  10. cwwhk

    cwwhk Formula 3

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    You don't have to remove the seat belt retractor, just unscrew the anchor bolt at the seat and 3 small screws at the rear speaker trim cover. So you can take the speaker trim cover out of the car and work on it on a work bench.
     
  11. maranello72

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    Thanks!!
     
  12. cwwhk

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    #37 cwwhk, Apr 24, 2012
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    I am in the process of changing OEM seats to 430 Challenge carbon fiber race seats as I have a few of them lying around. While I have the seat out, I figured I might as well put in the Alpine Class D 4 channel amplifier I bought before.

    Laid out the wiring today to put amp under passenger seat.
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  13. cwwhk

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  14. maranello72

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    The CDX-T69 has definitely solved the skipping problem the OEM changer had, I can finally listen to CDs on long journeys....
    Cwwhk, thanks for the suggestion!!

    :) Stefano
     
  15. cwwhk

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    Stefano,

    You are very welcome. I'm glad it worked well for you.

    Regards,

    Wayne
     
  16. jznd

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    I replaced my front speakers a couple weekends ago (as it turns out, the first shop I walked into had the same pair of Polks as cwwhk, so I just went with that), and damped the inside of the kickpanels with some simple adhesive foam panels. Even replacing just the 2 front speakers has noticeably improved sound quality, but I'm going to replace the two rear ones as well because now the disparity between front and rear is noticeable. Good front and crappy rear, whereas it was just all round crappy before.

    Before I rip out the rear parcel shelf though, I'm investigating different options for the dampening mats (my car is my daily driver so I want to make sure I've got all the materials I need for diving in). Has anyone ever tried this company? http://cascadeaudio.com/car_noise_control/index.htm

    And what am I looking for: sound barrier, sound dampener, or sound absorber?
     
  17. cwwhk

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    #42 cwwhk, May 23, 2012
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    Unless you want to completely revamp noise insulation of the car, all you really need is just some butyl vibration damping mats and some expanded foam to absorb sound reflection behind the speakers. I happen to have some of these waffle type foams in hand when I did my car, but any foam should be fine.

    I have plenty of the aluminum foil backed butyl vibration damping mats left over. Bought way too much. :D Be happy to give you some for free just PM me for details on where to pickup from my storage in the New Territories.
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  18. 00 550

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    I replaced all four speakers and sound is much improved. Would going back and placing the dampeni"ng material make it that much better?
     
  19. cwwhk

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    Better damping on the speaker panel and sound absorbing materials in the speaker cavity will give you better sound, but I doubt the improvement will be as big as when you replaced the OEM speakers.
     
  20. orled

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    Is there any recommendation for speaker efficiency ratings / resistance, front and rear, which will work with standard head unit without extra amplifier? Anything to avoid?
     
  21. cwwhk

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    Based on my own research of what's available I chose Polk Audio DB401 for front and DB571 for rear. They are very good driven with just OEM head unit without amplifier.
     
  22. jznd

    jznd Formula Junior

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    Based on cwwhk's purchase of the front DB401, I also bought those for my car. (First thing I saw when I walked into the first shop, actually). My head unit is an aftermarket Pioneer 4x50W.

    Overall sound quality has improved a lot, but when I isolate just the front speakers vs. just the rear speakers, I can't really tell much of a difference. So it may have been just my front speakers were terrible, and the Polks have brought them up to similar quality as the rears. Anyway, I'll go ahead and replace the rears and report back. (cwwhk - thanks for the extra damping mats!)
     
  23. jznd

    jznd Formula Junior

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    Polk MM571 5x7 speakers ordered from ebay - check
    Vibration dampening mats (generously donated by cwwhk! Thanks!) - check
    Hot humid weather - check
    1 hour left before sunset - check

    Following the excellent step by step instructions by moorfan and cwwhk, I stripped out the rear parcel shelf. My first time taking apart any car's interior trim, but went like a charm. The OEM asphalt-type vibration mats had debonded as expected, but unfortunately not nearly as much as moorfan's car or cwwhk's car. I'd guess about 40% was still bonded to the car.

    In other words, enough debonding so that it wasn't doing any good (and the gaps were probably adding resonant space!) but not enough to make getting it out an easy task. Didn't manage to get anywhere close to done before sunset.

    Took the next morning off from work, and found a plaster spatula to chisel and scrape away at the black stuff. 2 hours, a few sliced fingers, and 3 sweat soaked T-shirts later, all done. Tip #1 - wear work gloves, the foil backed vibration mats have SHARP edges. Duh.

    Out of curiosity, I tested the polarity of the speaker wires. WTF?!? They were reversed. Given that cwwhk's 550 also had reversed wires, did Luigi on Ferrari's assembly line have too much chianti for breakfast and miswire every 550?

    The previous owner of my car had "upgraded" the OEM stereo system and the Clarions I found in the back looked a wee bit small on first glance. WTF!?!?!? They were 4x6's with 4 Ohm resistance - no wonder I had to crank my head unit up to nearly maximum to get any amount of sound out of them!

    New Polk 5x7s were a tight squeeze in the available space (I didn't bother with the grilles) but there was plenty of room forward of the seatbelt mechanism to install the crossover.

    The end results are a huge upgrade, probably even more so because the Clarion 4x6s that the previous owner of my car installed were WORSE than OEM. Now I can hear low end bass (enough for me at least), the sound quality is excellent, and there's plenty of sound at 40% volume whereas I had to turn it up to 90%+ before.

    The only problem is that now the fronts are outmatched and the soundstage is dominated by the rear. I'll pull those out and check the wiring this weekend in case the polarities were miswired as well.

    Surprisingly, the new vibration mats don't seem to be making too much difference compared with the old debonded OEM mats. Perhaps I need to also do the vertical surface behind the seats? Or do I also need to add the mass-loaded noise suppressors on top of the vibration mats?

    I had taken a bunch of pictures to share, but they seem to have disappeared from my iphone.
     
  24. LamboRider

    LamboRider Formula Junior

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    Great job!
     
  25. ddd910

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    Guys, please post the make and model of speakers other than Polk Audio that would fit behind the factory speaker grills with little or no modification.

    Thanks in advance
     

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