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550 with fuchs exhaust - input?

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  1. Thatsmytoy

    Thatsmytoy Karting

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    After reading old archives....are the 550 owners with fuchs still happy with their choice?? I'm almost ready to add this upgrade...and would like opinions.
    Thanks,
    Bill

    99 550 NART Blue/tan
     
  2. riverflyer

    riverflyer F1 Rookie

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    Bill, thats what I run and am very happy with it. no cabin resonance and a very nice deep throaty sound, especially from behind or beside. In fact its awesome in a drive by, very nice tone. I have been thinking about more sound though and am not sure about how to get it. Someone suggested deleting center resonator but I have not done the research yet. At any rate, I think the Fuchs is a very nice sound without the drag of cabin resonance. John
     
  3. TomSilver

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    John, I'm also thinking about changing the stock exhaust at my 575, but I'm totally unsure about which one is the best for me. Do you have any videos from your 550, especially at higher revs?

    Tom
     
  4. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Fuchs/CG is the best to me. Clearly you have read what Dave (Maranelloman) and I have said about it in previous threads.

    Honestly, you can't choose a better exhaust.

    BTW - John - nice to meet you yesterday (finally). Under such silly circumstances! ;)

    I love the "Hey - are you bobafett - I mean Dan?" out of the blue! :D

    --Dan
     
  5. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    John: Dave added the Stebro center resonator, and I want to do the same, but I am leery of the company now from the thread in the GFD.

    --Dan
     
  6. darth550

    darth550 Six Time F1 World Champ
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    I put the Fuchs on my last one and loved it for years. This one came with Tubis on it and I miss the Fuchs. Maybe I should stop being such a cheap bastard and change it already!

    DL
     
  7. garysp7

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    Hi guys:
    I think I have a 550 coming my way in several weeks which has stock exhaust. I have been following all of your threads regarding everything relating to 550''s and wanted to try to clarify the exhaust issues.
    Is it the general opinion that both systems only change the sound and do not effect performance? You guys seem to like the Fuchs sound better than Tubis when replacing only the rear cans, correct? If the central stock resonator is left stock, does anyone encounter that resonation problem that occured with earlier tubis?
    Do you guys feel replacing the central resonator with a crossover pipe is worth it?
    Also, my friend is a Tubi distributor and I can get Tubi's for a 550 for about 2000.00 I think the Fuchs are about 3,000. You think they are worth the extra money?
    Thanks for all the great postings. You guys are a wealth of information.
    Gary
     
  8. riverflyer

    riverflyer F1 Rookie

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    Gary, your name seems familiar, are you a member of viper.org? I have just the rear cans and have no resonance issues at all. I am thinking hard on the center resonator replacement but like Dan, am leery of the company. I have sent them a contact email and will proceed accordingly. I do wish that the owner who has both would post a clip so we could hear it, but I would like a bit more sound. On throttle the sound is great but I am old school about exhaust note and love the louder edge if the tone is right.
     
  9. riverflyer

    riverflyer F1 Rookie

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    Tom, I will try and get one but it could take a while as my next two weeks are super busy. Will post pm to you if/when I can get a clip done. I don't have dig. video so need to borrow one.

     
  10. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Tom: Give me a week or two, I can take videos from the rear of the car with a specially mounted camera to do this.

    Gary: I can't speak about the resonance / lack thereof of the Tubis, but to me is seems that the Tubi will be VERY loud down at idle / low revs, and add nothing at the midrange/high. The CG is opposite: pronounced rumble down low but not intrusive, very good noise midrange and above 4k - it screams but not overly loudly.

    I think CG + Stebro will be the ticket short of straight pipes...which is very unbecoming for a Maranello.

    --Dan
     
  11. coachi

    coachi Formula 3

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    Gary, I have never heard nor seen the Fuchs...but I have Tubis on my 550.

    Never regretted changing over. I wish I could tell you about Fuchs. But I can tell you the tubis are definitely worth it...everything else is stock in my car.
     
  12. garysp7

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    I have only heard the Tubis on a 99 that I drove at Sheltons last month. It was not too loud for me. I definitely do not want to be rumbling around with straight pipes. I do like a low throaty sound throughout the range and do not mind a racious wailing as I start to really push it. If the removing the center resonator will restrict backflow and improve the tone (maybe even perormance) I am in. The decision will then be to either go with Tubis or the fuchs. I seem to recall one or two guys running capristos on their 550's as well.
    I would love a pm with an audio if anyone has one or makes one. Just let me know and I will give you my private e-mail address.
    Gary
     
  13. stephens

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    Spot on Dan
    The Tubi is so loud at idle-2000rpm that it seems quiet at higher revs!
    From my tests there is no real performance improvement with a rear muffler change that you could not put down to the accurracy of the dyno. However the centre muffler is good for about 15hp. Rather than a Stebro, we made up a crossover pipe with individual resonators. I'll post a pic next week. Your local exhaust guy should be able to make it up and fit it for under $200.
     
  14. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Stephens: How did yours affect tonality? Sound is just as much a concern as flow...

    --Dan
     
  15. garysp7

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    Can you guys tell me where is the best distributor who can supply me with a Fuchs if that is the route I choose to go? Does it come with hardware? If so, is the hardware stainless?
    Is it the general concensus that dealing with Stebro is a loser?
    I am planning on putting on my own exhaust so I would need to have the central resonators prefabricated before I make the switch. I want to do it all at once.
    My Ferrari friend wants to make the change. I personally have second thoughts about doing it myself since in past experiences I view exhaust work as messy and needing torches and bending pipes to make it all work.
    Have you guys done your own?
    I am thinking it might be better to show up at Shelton Ferrari with the parts and let them do the labor.
    Loking forward to seeing your crossover pipe when completed.
    gary
     
  16. stephens

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    No real effect. Used the Ferrari factory designed crossover point as in the standard muffler.
    Sounds like Fuchs may be the way to go. Where can I get a set for my car, I really don't like the Tubi?
     
  17. bobafett

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    Gary: fuchs is distributed as CarGraphic here. I have a friend who can probably hook you up?

    Stephen: I doubt the Stebro center resonator adds the same power as yours - but, if you're saying the noise is not improved with your solution, I think I choose noise over power gains.

    --Dan
     
  18. Ferrariguy2

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    where can one find info abotu the Fuchs exhaust on the web? is there a Fuchs website?
     
  19. Thatsmytoy

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    I received this email from CarGraphic:

    To answer your question, Fuchs does not manufacture our 550 exhaust. A few years ago Cargraphic and Fuchs had shared some R&D on some Ferrari exhausts.

    Externally there is no difference between the medium and loud. In the past few years I have only sold the louder version exhausts. They sound great, with little or no interior resonation.

    Construction is 100% stainless steel. With rolled polished stainless tips.
    We are located in Perth Amboy NJ.

    I have one of these systems in stock at the moment.

    MSRP 3391.00
    END OF MESSAGE>
    But I wonder if there is a difference in sound to the Fuchs? Notice he said little or no resonation. umm...
    Anyone heard the Cargraphic 550 exhausts?

    Bill
     
  20. bobafett

    bobafett F1 Veteran

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    Bill: MINE is cargraphic. We always call it fuchs, but everyone I know has bought it from cargraphic. This includes Norman, Dave, SW, myself, etc. Even for Norm's 360!

    No resonance.

    --Dan
     

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