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575 F1 Gearbox: how to enjoy it.

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  1. Albert-LP

    Albert-LP F1 Veteran
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    I own a 575 Maranello with the F1 gearbox since some months. That's my first car with such F1: at first I didn't like very much the shift. But, after gaining a bit of confidence with the car and being relaxed while driving, something changed: I realized I was using it in the wrong way, I mean like a DCT, where you only have to push the lever and nothing else. But the F1 is not a DCT: it's a MANUAL gearbox where you don't have to push the clutch pedal.
    Remembering this is not so much important in the full gas driving, where the difference with a full manual is very small, but it's very important in the relax standard driving.

    I told myself: think to have a full manual and act as it were that.

    So I started to lighten the gas pedal pressure one moment before every shifting, in order to shift exactly when the RPM were no more increasing and the miracle happened: it looked as shifting with the six speed manual.

    That is only what I do when I drive the other cars with manual gearbox I own: no more.

    Then I learned to select the neutral before stopping the car, so you can give a small stroke of gas to pleasure your ears and the crowd looking for your car stopping at the traffic light and so on.

    I mean that the F1 is a manual gearbox with an hidraulically automated standard clutch: use it as a manual and enjoy it

    Ciao
     
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  2. Ferrari55whoa

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    Enjoy in good health and share a photo when you can. :cool:
     
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  3. Albert-LP

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  4. Albert-LP

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    Maybe you will like this drawing that I got few days ago.

    Is there anything I should know about the 575? It's a big and intimidating car, this considering my average driving skills: I read the car only has an ASR and not an ESP, so I'm quite careful in 1st and 2nd gear


    Ciao
     
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  5. bruzzifumi

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    IMHO most of the early 2000 automated manuals got bad comments for the very same reason you wrote. They are not automatic gearboxes and they need some basic skills. My 550 has a lovely gearbox, and I adore the good manuals, but in my Alfa Romeo 147 GTA I have the very same "2 robots" F1-Cambiocorsa-Selespeed arrangment of 575, that's a real delight when driving slowly, and is waaaay faster than what I manage to do with 550 when I'm little more hurry...
    At over 70% throttle and over 5500 rpm, ECU selects the faster possible shift, and man, that's really fast! I drove both the manual and the Selespeeed befor buying it and for me there has been no contest, being the command of the former so utilitarian.

    Not a single magazine test drove the Selespeed GTA ever, but magically in all the today "youngtimer" reviews, all the "I know better" writers put a line "Selespeed version, slow gearchanges" when listing the defects of the car. They probably refers to the basic "single robot" automated gearbox that Fiat group used on lesser Alfa Romeo models (and Abarths...) which offer a really poor driving experience, or more possibly they simply believe the typical popular tale.
    It's sad to see how badly written reviews can influence the way we consider some cars.

    The shifts of the 296 are imperceptible, so perfect that your brain is not busy with any gearbox concern, but, call me mad, I prefer the mechanical feeling of the maligned automated manuals that keeps you in the game instead of play for you.
     
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    Absolutely correct! The key to enjoying it is learning what it likes and acting accordingly. Like most Ferraris of the mid-2000s and before…you have to accept that it will be driven on IT’S terms, and you’ll be a lot happier once you do! Anything else is missing the experience and leads to one becoming the grump on Corvette Forum talking about how a given Ferrari was the “worst car” he ever owned :D

    Check out 360Trev’s tune as well.
     
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  7. Albert-LP

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    You did

    yes, first you have to learn how to use it! Exactly what happens with a standard manual georbox: if you didn't learn to use it correctly, it's a nightmare!

    Once the F1 was the most advanced and sporty gearbox on the market: it means it was better and faster than the standard manual. I really don't understand why the gated six speed is so valuable, as at the times it was the top.

    F1 only needs to be learned and then it can do exactly what the manual does plus adding more performances and fun: I don't know how many can do the "doppietta in scalata", means the downshifting pressing the gas pedal while braking, with the manual: F1 does it by itself in sport mode, and this for me is priceless.

    I will check the 360trev discussion, thanks.

    Ciao

    P.S.
    I own also a 308, manual, of course: when the oil is cold, selecting the second gear is as easy as cutting a tree with a knife....
     
  8. Chupacabra

    Chupacabra F1 Rookie
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    They’re all that way, haha! I don’t think I’ve ever driven a manual Ferrari that is smooth right off the bat and that does not occasionally throw a tantrum for no apparent reason. I will say that my OEM conversion 575 is pretty darn compliant for an exotic gated manual.
     
  9. Sassicaia

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    Ciao Albert-LP,

    I have owned my F1 2005 575M since August 2010 - a little over 14.5 years with about 19,000 miles on it presently.
    Grigio Titanio w/charcoal interior/Daytona seats, and HGTC package.
    I too was nervous when I first drove it home to NJ from the Ferrari dealership in CT.
    It took some time for me to gain confidence and drive it as it is intended.
    I drive it exactly as you described above because YES - it is a manual F1transmission; and especially selecting neutral when approaching an intersection or stop light before stopping or slowing down.
    I have it serviced regularly regardless of whether minor or major service is necessary.
    Having been driving and appreciating its capabilities, strengths, beauty and characteristics for over 14 years, I never considered departing with it nor would I.
    575s are rare to see at least where I live on the US east coast.
    Glad to read you're driving your Maranello as intended and enjoying it too.

    Ciao, Sassicaia.
     
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  10. vandevanterSH

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    "I own also a 308, manual, of course: when the oil is cold, selecting the second gear is as easy as cutting a tree with a knife...."
    ****
    When cold, I always shift my 575 1st to 3rd; I always wondered if there was potential for damage when F1 does a 1st to 2nd shift when cold.
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Stephen- No, if you could shift like F1 does with 8-900 psi of hydraulic pressure, there would be no problem on yours, either. No graunching on mine at all. That is why they went to triple synchronizers on the lower gears on the 575 vs the 550's twin synchro rings.
     
  12. Albert-LP

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    No problem at all with the 1st to 2nd gear shifting with the 575. The 308 cold shifting problem from 1st to 2nd gear is only due to a poor alignment of the shifthing rod that connects the gear lever with the gearbox. You will read a ton of bullsh@ts about that: I solved them with a perfect fit bronze bushing around the shifting rod, without opening the gearbox. There is a thread about that in the 308 section (I wrote it): it's not a gearbox problem, gears are perfect and 308 is a great car

    Ciao
     
  13. greg246

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    I have a Mondial QV with 125k km. Shifting into 2nd from cold has never been an issue
     

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