575 F1 Shift times

Does anyone know the shift times of a 575 compared to some other models below

2002 575 early assm.
2006 F-430
2010 458 Italia

I love my 575 and realize it's early generation technology but I like to get an idea just
How much quicker the newer cars are.

 

I think I found my answers

575 F1. 250ms
F-430. 150ms
458 DCT basically 0ms

 

Dominic- Standard 575M 220 ms, HGTC (same as Superamerica and standard 612) 180 ms. Ferrari quotes the 360, CS and F430 at 150 ms, disputed by some. Scud/GTO 60 ms. 599 and OTO 612 100 ms, with HGTE/HGT2, 85 ms.

Shift times on the DCTs vary, but are definitely not 0 ms. DCTs are actually slower than F1 systems if the progression up or down the gearbox is broken.

 

I've done 5,000kms in a late 575M F1 and about 20kms in an HGTC version so here is my 2 cents.

The 220/180ms F1/F1 HGTC shift times on the Maranello are the stated benchmarks - but the circumstances under which you can expect to achieve these results it are not expressly stated.

Presumably they would be referring to shifts in ‘Sport’ mode, when fully warmed-up, but possibly also when rpms are above a particular threshold and when throttle position is beyond a certain percentage value etc.

Then there would be the possibility/probability that certain shifts are faster than others [e.g. 1 to 2, vs. 3 to 4 etc.] and finally, whether or not upshifts are generally faster (or slower) than downshifts.

When cold, the transmission on my late F1 certainly appeared to shift more slowly which may have been programmed for mechanical sympathy reasons or it may just have been the relatively cold fluid slowing things down naturally.

Rather than focussing on shift times, what I have found to be more illuminating is to focus on the sensations that one gets when shifting and you can decide for yourself whether or not the transmission has really nailed any given shift (or laboured it).

On the 575M F1 in Normal mode, you certainly should be lifting when shifting up (there is no auto rev matching in Normal mode). When driving ‘normally’, you might find yourself up shifting when in the first half (or even third) of the rev range and in such circumstances, there will be times when you might be able to convince yourself that you could have done it better yourself with a stick and an open gate.

I would never decry the intrinsic satisfaction of nailing a manual shift but for every 'x' perfect manual shifts, there will invariably be 'y' that might cause you to blush when you’ve fluffed it!

In that respect, it's a rather similar situation with the 575M’s F1 system. Once you have adapted to it/mastered it, it has the potential to reward you with a truly impressive shifting experience and, I would argue, this is almost entirely independent of the actual duration of the actual gear shifts.

 

Terry -- why are DCTs slower? Thanks. Frank

 

Min shift times are quoted for Sport mode above 5000 rpm with wide open throttle.

If you cannot shift more smoothly with F1 than three pedals, you are doing it wrong. Normal mode does not match revs on the 575M, so varying degrees of lift are necessary for perfect upshifts. With practice, easy to do. I do not use Sport mode until I have 160 F oil temperature. In Sport, the system actually does double clutching so quickly it is difficult to hear, mostly on a 2-1 downshift with the largest spread in ratios in the transmission. Then you can hear the double rise in rpm. Downshifts are generally slower than upshifts.