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575M F1 shift from 1st to N

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  1. cmaxcliff

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    I just bought a 575M F1 and it doesn't shift to Neutral at a stop or rolling to a stop. I get a beep and horizontal line. It does go into N automatically at a light given time or when the door is opened. Is this normal?
     
  2. poljav

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    Just to clarify, when stepping on the brake does it (doesn't) down-shift when you are slowing/rolling to stop? Because the car will not automatically go to neutral unless you shift to neutral when at a stop or rolling to stop, i.e. you are in 3rd gear coming up on a stop sign, when you step on the brake and as the car slows down it will automatically down-shift to 2, then 1 but not into neutral.
     
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  3. cmaxcliff

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    #3 cmaxcliff, Aug 2, 2021
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    If I am stopped in 1st and try to go down to neutral I get a beep and a horizontal line and then it goes back to display 1.

    If I try to jiggle the down paddle when almost stopped it does the same.
     
  4. white out

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    Pull both paddles for neutral.

    The beep from pulling the left paddle at a stop engages hill assist.
     
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  5. poljav

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    Okay. And apologies if this sounds condescending, its not, you are tapping both paddles to go into neutral, right?
     
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  6. cmaxcliff

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    I did look at the manual and I just didn't see that. It makes sense since that would keep you from getting to neutral accidently. I didn't even know it has hill assist. I may not be smart enough to own this car. It's my first Ferrari and it seems to me that they didn't do a great job on the manual clarity, or maybe my old age is showing. Thank you so much for helping me.
     
  7. cmaxcliff

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    You are sounding helpful. Thank you!
     
  8. vandevanterSH

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    Welcome to the 575M club...I'm 77 and you are at the right place to ask questions. F-Chat is the best!
     
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  9. tazandjan

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    Cliff- There are no dumb questions, just dumb answers. As you discovered, neither the upshift nor downshift paddle will get you to neutral, but both together will. Also, if you come to a stop in 1st and take your foot off the brake, she will select neutral in about 10 seconds and you will have to put your foot on the brake to get her back into gear. Better to read that than learn it the hard way like most of us had to. Also, if you sit stopped in 1st gear for several minutes, she will get tired of waiting for you to take off and again select neutral.

    To best enjoy F1, treat it like a manual transmission with the clutch pedal missing, which is what it is. Whatever gear you want, up or down, select it yourself and do not let the system do it for you. You can also coast to a stop in neutral, if that is how you drive a 3 pedal. If traffic starts moving before you come to a stop, either the upshift or down shift paddle will get you back into the same gear. That gear will normally be too high for comfortable acceleration, so as a technique, I always use the downshift paddle so I can instantly downshift into a usable gear.
     
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  10. cmaxcliff

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    That makes sense! I am still confused as to whether or not putting the car into neutral while stationary reduces stress on the throwout bearing and pump. I read a thread on the subject and people there were not in agreement. Being in neutral in a straight manual car puts less stress on the left leg(pump) and bearing but maybe the F1 has a reason to keep the clutch disengaged while in neutral. I would like to read the technical details of the F1 and how it functions.
     
  11. tazandjan

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    Cliff- Whenever an F1 Ferrari is stopped, the clutch is open, whether in gear or in neutral. Also, our throw-out bearings are constant contact types, so even when the clutch is closed, the throw-out bearing is seeing some wear. Coasting to a stop in neutral saves T/O bearing open and close cycles and clutch open and close cycles, but has only a small effect on clutch life compared to starts from a full stop. One of our pros estimates F1 T/O bearings typically have several times more cycles on them than an equivalent 3 pedal bearing for the same mileage.
     
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    " One of our pros estimates F1 T/O bearings typically have several times more cycles on them than an equivalent 3 pedal bearing for the same mileage."
    That is interesting....any similar comparison for clutch life?
     
  13. tazandjan

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    No, depends too much on the driver.
     
  14. cmaxcliff

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    I have only driven the car for two days and maybe 100 miles and I am starting to really like the F1 transmission. Today I did my first high rpm hard acceleration through a few gears in sport mode. Very impressive! I am getting used to normal driving also. Seems like it is best to not move the throttle while shifting for smoothness. I guess the ECU is well programed. I am not sure what the left, down, paddle is supposed to do when stopped so far as hill assist or whatever. I don't think mine is doing anything since it will still move. Maybe I need to be in neutral, not 1st or reverse?
     
  15. tazandjan

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    Nope, has to be 1st or reverse, but do not use it in reverse or reverse up any incline. Reverse gear is almost as high as second and will toast your clutch pretty quickly if used uphill.

    At a full stop, select 1st, depress and release or depress and hold down (my technique) the left paddle. After a few seconds, you will hear a beep and you are in hill climb/slow maneuver mode.

    Launch control feature is included in the bulletin, but I would not recommend it as it is rough on the clutch and driveline.


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  16. cmaxcliff

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    Thank you. So the feature is not a "hill holder"(brake actuator) but rather just changes how the clutch is actuated.
     
  17. tazandjan

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    Affirmative, nothing to do with the brakes.
     

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