599/430 Prices Crashing

I presume the gain is mainly because the less massive disc has much lower rotational inertia / momentum -- it takes less energy to accelerate and decelerate the disc itself.

 

Being saying this for ages. Just as silly as the paddle shift gear change thingie ... like it does NOT matter how quick your gear changes are for a road car.

Sort of sad that Ferrari makes cars to suit wanky marketing requirements instead of cars that are designed to be the best for the environment they are going to be used for ... the public ROAD.
Pete

 

Brian

Let me see if I can out of this mess - let me restate the GT car deal - I'll simply say the pit crews train to change the brake components. Secondly, the stock carbon brakes on a stock Ferarri will outbreak the steel brakes on an identical stock Ferrari and have better fade characteristics. I understand you are a gear head(meant in a good way - I have many gear head friends who have taught me a lot including the Andrettis) so you know your deal - I am just a drive them person and have someone else fix them

 

I thought that's why they came up with the 308 GT4?

 

An F1 car with steel brakes is not outbraked by an F1 car with carbon brakes ... so why would a humble road Ferrari be different?.

The only reason F1 cars use carbon brakes is they are lighter. Williams about 5 years ago ran a car with steel brakes ... no difference.
Pete

 

Agree.

Time will tell with the 308 GT4, a great, efficient and complete design ... with no bollocks.
Pete

 

I give up on my statement - all I can say is after 100s of laps in Ferraris on the track that my personal experience is that the standard carbon brakes out perfrom the standard steel Ferrari brakes

 

Umm.............well.....................let's see here......................I GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So if there were only one type of brakes offered then the 599/430 prices would not be crashing! YAY!!!!!!!
Seriously, the topic here is not brakes. We got off topic days ago and it's drifting into the abyss.
I find it hilarious when this happens but Im bored of the brake controversy.
Im just gonna put another 21K miles on my 430 to see if I can actually drive the wheels off it!
Later,
Ape

 

yeah, i've noticed a drop in 430 (& 360) prices too i still need to work on my investing foo though

 

A 2006 F430 F1 7k miles just went for $152,700 on eBay. No reserve!

 

That may actually be true; but it is not because of the difference in materials.

 

+1

 

That is exactly right and something people seem to often forget in discussions of brakes. Brake fade, pedal feel and effort and perhaps more things that I'm forgetting can depend on the brake system, but almost always stopping distance is a function of limited tire grip before limited brake power. Changing tires on a car can make a big difference in that cars stopping behavior.

 

brake bias is another very significant factor of the brake system which will affect stopping distance. i've read that a lot of the braking system is different on the F430 (and so I would suspect the 360/CS/etc), not just the pads/rotors, with iron vs. CCB. if the bias is different that would be a big deal.

 

It sure could be. In a recent magazine article (Car and Driver I think), Porsche 911's with standard and ceramic brakes stopped within inches of each other and exhibited similar fade (no fade) also. They had the same tires. A Corvette also exhibited no fade, and a few cars that I would have thought would have done well didn't do well at all.

Overall it was a pretty good read.

 

Like tobacco products, fast food.....change "NEED" to "have the disposable income for".

 

Good post. I think tobacco products fall into the "need" category in the mind of those who are addicted to them. The brain classifies its addictions as necessary to survive I think.

I wonder if alcohol, which doesn't have a majority of customers addicted, will suffer or not during a recession?

 

Nice car, seems a trifle indulgent and wildly overpriced.

 

Not overpriced if people are bidding for it...

 

You're not in marketing are you...

It's a used car. BIN is huge, reserve not met at 301k, "overpriced".

The days of getting +MSRP for "previously thrashed" current Ferraris are so last year.

Of course they could always adopt the DeBeers model, but for how long?

 

Here is a nice deal:
http://sales.porschexchange.com/inventory/printDetails.cfm?printdetails=4909715

 

Ah, snap, I didn't notice the "Reserve not met"!

 

As soon as I typed "tobacco" I wondered if that was incorrect, sadly, I would have to agree that in practical terms tobacco is a need item. Alcohol sales are subject to economic fluctuations, there is less consumed, less of certain brands (premuim vodkas, scotch, etc.). Info thanks to best friend who wholesales spirits ) in short, Taava vodka gets a minor boost, Grey Goose does not :0)

 

http://www.winespiritsdaily.com/2008/11/remy-remains-cautious-for-fiscal-year.html