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  1. FerrariFinally

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    I know a bit gloomy, but a healthy dose of reality
     
  2. GasAdams

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    My 2007 had a rough life prior to me. 24,000 miles and 75% used on the clutch. No issues with it at all and I'll drive it until it starts acting up. It's a consumable IMHO, so it might as well be fully used.
     
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  3. Skidkid

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    We are on the same page. Most drive their cars so little that the difference is 10 years or 11 years until a clutch change, and likely more than that. Just like you do, I will play with my toys and worry about it later. In the case of a clutch, much later and maybe never. :)
     
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  4. FerrariFinally

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    Maybe your car had some track days and some really spirited driving. Not necessarily rough.

    To me,, that is a proper life of a car like a steed that raced in its heyday...
     
  5. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Track use is actually not tough on clutches. City driving is rougher on clutches.
     
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  6. FerrariFinally

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    I did have to think about this for a moment...so banging gears at redline approximately 6-8 times a lap for 20-25 minutes at a time with transmission temps at its limit is not going to wear the clutch prematurely?

    I do understand totally the city driving in traffic and backing up a hill is the worse thing ever for the clutch though.
     
  7. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #32 tazandjan, Aug 17, 2022
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    No, it is the slipping that wears clutches. Very little wear on the clutch from banging shifts, especially since the system matches revs on upshifts and downshifts.

    Incidentally, reverse is not bad at all in the 599, especially compared to the 360 and 575M, where it is almost as high as 2nd gear. First in a 599 is 3.15:1 and reverse is 2.93, pretty close and not enough to worry about rapid clutch in reverse.
     
  8. DZ-96

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    One thing that you should think about.

    Very often the throw out bearing gets leaking with the years.
    So you have to open the system to install a new throw out bearing.
    Mostly this is the time to install a new clutch also.

    In that cases, the clutch often has wear, but labor costs more to open the system again some time after the new throw out bearing was necessary/installed.


    my opinion :
    Clutch is good for 70-80.000 Km at normal use and driven with brain.
    Throw out bearing is good for same km, but risk of leaking at about 12 years (or some more)

    So you can calculate what happens earlier at your car, and i'm sure, most will have situation nr 2 first, a leaking throw out bearing.
    So better not to think about the clutch wear.

    When it get's time, it get's time.


    Daniel
     
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  9. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    One note on George's much earlier comment about depressing the accelerator pedal twice before starting. This is actually to synchronize the MAF meters and has nothing to do with the clutch. Recommendation is actually to depress the throttle 3 times, though, not twice.
     
  10. spirot

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    so what would this do from a practical stand point...? Tell me like I'm 5 yrs. old.
     
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  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    When I said synchronize the MAFs, it is more like synchronize the throttle bodies so both banks are getting the same charge of air to mix with the fuel in the combustion chamber. With Weber carburetors like my old Ferraris, we used a Uni-Syn carb synchronizer to do about the same thing. On our fuel injected Ferraris, this procedure does it electronically.
     
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  12. SonomaRik

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    So, you agree the 3 pump in on position is needed or maintained electronically & nothing to concer in starting.
     
  13. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Rik- One more time, not sure I understood your question.
     
  14. SonomaRik

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    I'll phrase better.

    Reference was made to have newer models with fuel injection turned on, then pump the gas pedal, now three times, to adjust, now, the MAF meters.
    You referenced newer models like being discussed which have fuel injection are done electronically. I'm trying to correlate this to needing the 3-pump scenario. However, I've never heard of such a routine. Not quite sure what to make of this pump discussion. Haven't seen that in the manual either.
     
  15. tazandjan

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    Rik- Backdoor source.
     

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