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599 F1 Superfast - really, unbelievably Superfast!

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  1. 410SA

    410SA F1 Veteran

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    My car has sufficient miles on it now that I am quite comfortable putting the gas pedal all the way to the floor.
    Arizona has some great freeway on ramps, long and double lane all the way to the entry point where they narrow into one lane. There is one in particular on the 101 heading west, entering from Scottsdale road, where I found myself, early in the morning in first gear,(in Sport mode), in the left lane, with a precocious Carrera 4S in the right lane. Naturally being functional, rational adults we both floored it.
    The 599 felt like a little go kart as it launched itself forward. It hit redline before I could notice it. There was no sickening lurch as the rev limiter kicked in like other cars I own. Instead the transmission simply upshifted into 2nd and then into 3rd when I redlined again, and by this time was several hundred yards onto the freeway with the Carrera a rapidly diminishing speck in my mirror.
    I was never very attentive in Physics class but I now know, with clarity, what 100 milliseconds feels like. :)
     
  2. ^@#&

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    would you say that this is one of those cars that can be potentially too fast? Like how some people have spun out Carrera Gts because they are so much power.
     
  3. 410SA

    410SA F1 Veteran

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    People spin out Carrera GT's and Ford Focuses for the same reason. They overdo it and lose control. Any modern car made today has potentially too much power and too little grip in a given situation.
    I do believe that there is never enough driver training and that to fully enjoy a high performance car you should do as many high performance driving courses as possible and once you are comfortable driving fast, do as many track events as possible.
    I love to do them and I try to do at least one instructed course a year and I get my cars to the track as often as I can. There is no substitute for experience and a second critical factor is respect for the capabilities of your car.

    Having said all that, to answer your question as simply as possible - "No"
     
  4. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    wow..wish i was u man.
     
  5. PAP 348

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    Awesome car! :)
    Any pics of your 599 mate? Would love to see it. :)
     
  6. JOEV

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  7. DM18

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    All of this is true. I have seen several accidents including a fatal one in a Ferrari and I am questioning the need for ever faster road cars. I am spending less and less time driving fast on the road as I spend more and more time on the track. The problem is that the modern cars allow you to drive so fast and the electronics are so good that the margin to deal with the unexpected becomes smaller and smaller AND the consequences of it all going horribly wrong become bigger and bigger
     
  8. Pete Wall

    Pete Wall Formula Junior

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    Thanks JOEV for the link to the photos. What a great vehicle. They are quite wide at the front. An imposing presence.

    DM18, even more reasons to do fast driving on the track? Cars like the 599 offer performance way over what is needed for normal motoring.

    410SA, it must put have put a smile on your face accelerating onto the freeway. Plan to keep her? Have you been on the track yet?

    Enjoy, Pete
     
  9. ttgangsta

    ttgangsta Karting

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    OK how long do you guys really "break-in" these cars. I feel like you can only put so many miles on the darn thing in the first place, why wait 1500 miles to floor it. Also I usually break cars in pretty hard, in theory that helps everything seat correctly and helps your compression. Now I understand not keeping it at the same RPM for too long and all that, but how many miles till you take it up to say 8k?
     
  10. 410SA

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    Ferraris, in my experience don''t need to be broken in. They run the engine nice and hard on the bench at the factory and if you have ever been in Maranello you will have seen cars exiting the factory for shake down runs. The drivers don't hold anything back.
    I waited to gather some seat time not to baby the engine but to get my senses attuned to the stupendous performance available in the 599.
    It is an order of magnitude greater than my 575 in terms of it being a front engined V12, but more surprising it feels as nimble and agile as my CS but with noticeably more low down torque and faster acceleration. It is quite stunning all round.

    Regarding putting miles on the cars - I drive the 599 every day, as I did the Superamerica before that. Mileage is only an issue for those who bought the car as an asset. It is a car, designed to be driven and there is no point, IMO in sitting and watching the car get dusty.
     
  11. laxn23

    laxn23 Formula Junior

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    i promise that more people die in honda civics then they do in ferraris. But you guys hear about ferrari accidents i have lost many friends in car accidents. None of whom have been in a ferrari and the ones who have p-cars and such usually dont crash. I dont know what this says but honestly you can kill yourself in a 100 hp car just as easily as in a 400 hp car. They can both get to kill yourself speed.
     
  12. FJerry

    FJerry Formula Junior

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    I completely agree with you. When it gets too dirty, wash it. Otherwise enjoy. It is really a fantastic car- I'm glad you're using it as intended.

    Btw- I have often felt that some of the break in period the manufacturers require is actually for you to learn the car. You're doing it right IMHO.

    best regards,
    Jerry
     
  13. speedy_sam

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    Lovely car Alex! i am impressed with your statement that the 599 seems as agile as the CS - awesome considering the extra lbs it is carrying.

    One question, at what rpms do the LEDs on the steering wheel start lighting up?
     
  14. ttgangsta

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    Well I agree with you the cars are meant to be driven as often as possible. Where I live though, parking that car will result in it being keyed, broken into, broken lights ect. Also since 90% of the population drives old chevys and fords (who have also been let go from Visteon and Delphi in the last 3 years) rolling in a 300k ferrari everywhere would be a little too much. I hope someday to drive a 599 type car everyday but for now, its on the weekends only pal. I guess I'm poser but oh well I can deal with that. Honestly I would rather put a few thousand miles on a 599 then none at all too. Enjoy your car thanks for the insigt!
     
  15. FloydTheWall

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    Wow, more people die in Civics than ferraris. That genius comment. Did you think that might be because there is infinite more civics on the road than ferraris?
     
  16. 410SA

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    They light up at 6000 and add a light, from left to right, at every 500 revs. My experience with them is that the 599 revs so freely that they literally light up simultaneously as you move through 6000 to 8000. If you are running in Sport mode and stay hard on the gas the car shifts itself at redline and it's a treat to watch the lights come on, momentarily blink off and light up again as you get up to 6000 in the next gear. It works great in 1st and 2nd but if you stay on the gas in third enough to light up the led's you are moving very rapidly and continuing to accelerate well over 100MPH - there are very few places and times where I will try that on public roads. I've done it early on Sunday mornings on freeway onramps where there is a lot of room to keep going and virtually no-one else on the road.
     
  17. FJerry

    FJerry Formula Junior

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    Some people have stated that the lights are annoying to them, do you find them annoying? I can't believe that Ferrari would not have this sorted out.

    best regards,
    Jerry
     
  18. Sfumato

    Sfumato F1 World Champ

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    I suspect if you're on it hard, the lights should be in your peripheral vision only, or bottom of sight line if you're looking far enough ahead to be on it at 6k+. Michael seemed pleased with the lights in his car.

    Alex, have you driven much in rain yet? Wipers on my SA and Maranello are OK, I am interested in traction control response and rain sense operation, since she'll see rain more here than you will I suspect.

    LMK
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  19. 410SA

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    It rained pretty hard in Phoenix today and the car felt very stable. Of course I didn't try anything silly and I am hyper aware of other drivers around me in wet weather, especially in Phoenix where water on the road is equivalent to ice anywhere else. It's very unusual and most drivers don't have a clue, especially with regard to braking distances in the wet.
    The wipers were fine and the car was perfect on the road but it's now very dirty. C'est la vie I guess.
     
  20. 410SA

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    I love the lights. In normal urban driving, in traffic. I never see them because I simply don't run that hard on public roads with other cars around me.
     
  21. FloydTheWall

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    Drivers in scottsdale don't know the concept of having lights on in dark conditions if it's before 7 pm. Sky could be completely blotted out and heavy rain you still get 50% of drivers with no head lights.

    I find the LED shifters fairly annoying. On my car you can set them for what rev level you want them to go on. They blink for about 600 rpms before that then go solid. However, say you want to average shift at 3000 rpms. they start blinking at say 2500. if you are in 6th going 85 on the freeway the lights will be blinking forever. So it's only useful for the times you want to redline or go into high revs.
     
  22. PAP 348

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  23. DM18

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    I find it annoying when I am using one hand to speak on my cell phone and I am using the other to spin the wheel on my palm backing into a carpark and the lights rub on my palm. Aside from that I quite enjoy the lights!
     
  24. DM18

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    +1. You only touched on one aspect of the depth and relevance of the comment...
     
  25. ttgangsta

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    You can set the lights? I thought they could only be 6000 then one every 500rpm till redline?
     

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