599 gated stick manual Official picture thread

Beautiful chassis, good luck with the sale.

Lefteris

 

Thanks

 

160180 up for auction at RM Sotheby's Paris 2023 sale...

https://rmsothebys.com/en/auctions/pa23/paris/lots/r0040-2008-ferrari-599-gtb/1313929

 

According to an old ad, from when it was for sale with "The Collection" in Coral Gables, Florida, the car should be Rosso Fuoco:

Rosso Fuoco/Beige
Diamond Stitching
Beige Dash & Steering Wheel
Alluminium Calipers
Yellow Dials
SF Shields
Manual
ZFF60FCA1A0172283
Oct. 12th 2011 - USD 339.000 - 606 Miles

 

...is 187008 - Rosso Scuderia with factory Grigio Silverstone Opaco roof (BIC3) over Charcoal.
New through Auto Italia Limited Hong Kong June 2012.

 

Time to update this registry

148702 Nero/Nero (Euro) X Germany
149311 Grigio Titanio met/Blu Scuro (Euro) X Germany
149428 Blu Scuro/ Carta da Zucchero - one-off Zagato re-body (Euro) X Spain
150332 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) X Switzerland
150335 Nero/Beige (RHD) X Australia
150338 Rosso Corsa/Beige
150345 Nero/Nero X
150346 Rosso Corsa/Nero w Rosso inserts X
150549 Nero Daytona/Nero X
150551 Grigio Silverstone/Beige X
150620 Rosso Corsa/Nero X
150621 Nero/Nero X
150861 Grigio Silverstone/Nero X
150863 Nero Daytona/Nero X
150866 Blu Mirabeau/Crema
151006 Nero Daytona/Nero (Euro RHD) X UK
151275 Nero/Nero X
151277 Rosso Corsa/Beige X
151564 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) Bahrain
151849 Rosso Corsa/Beige w Rosso inserts X
151850 Blu/Tan ?
152365 Rosso Rubino/Beige X
152366 Rosso Corsa/Beige X
152969 Grigio Silverstone/Beige (Euro) X Italy
153027 Grigio Silverstone/Beige
153378 Rosso Scuderia/Crema X
153722 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) X UK
156075 Rosso Scuderia/Beige (Euro) x Czechia
156243 Grigio Titanio met/Beige (Euro) X Netherlands
157523 Nero/Charcoal (Euro) X Germany
157988 Verde inglese/Nero (Euro) Germany
158461 Rosso Fiorano/Beige X
159182 Blu Note or Blu Inverno/Rosso (Castriota's one-off) X
159626 Rosso Corsa/Beige, now Pale Blue/ Purple one-off Zagato re-body (US specs, in Euro now) X France (UK reg.)
159976 Argento Nürburgring/Rosso-Nero X
160180 Blu Mirabeau/Beige (Euro) X Spain ( for sale Paris 02/2023)
162942 Blu Pozzi/Beige X
162945 Blu Tdf/Blu (Euro) X Netherlands
164473 Nero/Nero (Euro) Germany
166663 Vinaccia/Beige (Euro) X Italy
167583 Grigio Titanio/Grigio (Euro) X Netherlands
167772 Nero/Beige X
167984 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) X Germany
170628 Nero/Nero X
172283 Rosso Fuoco/Beige X
182296 Nero Daytona/Beige X
182599 Nero/Nero X
187008 Rosso Corsa/Nero with Rosso inserts (Euro RHD Hgte) X Hong Kong
Total: 48
19 Euro/Asia/Australia + 29 USA


As this registry was supposed to be for official manual 599, I think it will be difficult to continue keep tracking of existing or new conversions here. Unless an other list is enforced. The only one to be considered on my point of view is the one done with OEM parts by a Ferrari dealer and carries a manual gearbox (F141ABM) on official papers.
146539 Giallo Modena/Grigio Scuro (Euro) X Netherlands-Ferrari dealer conversion

All the cars with a mark X are known, the others are not confirmed (so far), countries mentioned are only the last place known, if no mention = USA
We may have one more with Middle East specs ZFFFD60T...

@ZFFDT57 I got some doubts about #187008. For me it is more #187007 (reg. EEO 29CA) but I give you "the benefice of the doubt" as we say in my language

 

both 187007 and 187008 are RHD manual 599 GTB

 

I have it on high authority that the plaque in the engine bay says 187008.

Lefteris

 

I think #163812 could be eligible for the registry as the conversion was done using all OEM parts. And what about #151595?

Lefteris

 

Depends if you want to make a registry with only factory manual gated 599 or a registry with all manual 599

My ex giallo modena # 146539 has not been considered as factory manual 599. I now understand why and I agree. Besides, my buyer pointed this fact out to me when he bought it from me, that's why he offered max 200K.

What's about a F430 Coupé converted into a 430 Scuderia with OEM parts?
What's about a 599 GTB converted into a 599 GTO with OEM parts?
Etc.......

 

oh and absolutely NO converted 599 has 100% OEM parts, I've already checked..

 

Technically you're correct, as far I know all conversions had modifications from the ECU side of things so I retract my statement of "fully OEM".

Lefteris

 

The clutch pedals on the converted cars is always CNC machined, never cast like those on the factory models. It's easy to check. About EAG, I understand they use almost only customized parts absolutely different from the original ones.

And what none of them have except mine is the modification concerning the "type". Even despite this and my multiple contacts in Maranello, they don't want to recognize it as manual...

 

Are non OEM pedals used for conversions outside of EAG as well? I thought the two chassis I mentioned had a factory pedal set.

Lefteris

 

It's impossible. All pedals used for conversions with or without "OEM parts" are ALWAYS CNC machined. Why? When I discussed with the Ferrari dealer who converted my giallo, he told me he was lucky because 95% of the parts were still available in 2016. But Ferrari in Italy didn't have any clutch pedal and any leather console available, even in 2016... The ECU from my car has been modified at the factory. But NO recognition possible by the factory, sad...

 

I’ll check back in here with additional detail, but 163812 is indeed completely OEM, including the clutch pedal and pedal pads, turret, shift linkage and bushings, gearbox actuator, shift gate, center console, coin holder, clutch fluid reservoir, steering column covers, amongst other small details.

The ECUs run factory MT software with resolved logic that executes the factory MT code which was written by Ferrari but not deployed correctly - Trevor has fixed this so it does manifest during use. Any factory MT should use this patched software to actually run as-intended.

My 575 is getting converted right now with 100% OEM parts including the clutch pedal. Not sure how Exoticars does it, but somehow they do! Special shout out to @brogenville as well.

 

I would also advise MT 599 owners to move from the factory clutch master cylinder, which is Dodge part and woefully under-engineered. There are fully aluminum race applications that feel identical to the OEM Ferrari unit in terms of feedback, pressure, and pedal travel without having to worry about units failing. Plus it’s easy to have the OEM part sitting quietly in a box in the garage for authenticity purposes.

 

Pedal pads OK but clutch pedal, it's impossible. Also impossible is the lower center console (with leather not the one in carbone, I also have an original carbone console).When was this car converted? For the rest, OK.... I don't think Exoticars can find parts that don't exist better or easier than an official Ferrari workshop in Europe....
The 599's, 612's and California's clutch pedals are identical but no longer available (even in 2016 not available). Even the subcontractor who supplied them to Ferrari no longer exists. So either Exoticars are lying or they really are magicians.

 

This is an OEM clutch pedal. Look at this one from 163812, I'm 100% sure it is different because not cast aluminum but CNC mashined aluminium!
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About 575, it's completely different.

https://www.eurospares.co.uk/Ferrari/575/575M_Maranello/PartDiagrams/041/Pedals

 

One more converted for sale

https://ferraris-online.com/cars/2007-ferrari-599-gtb-6-speed-conversion-151605/

 

After HK news ! Update ( of real factory manuals) :

148702 Nero/Nero (Euro) X Germany
149311 Grigio Titanio met/Blu Scuro (Euro) X Germany
149428 Blu Scuro/ Carta da Zucchero - one-off Zagato re-body (Euro) X Spain
150332 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) X Switzerland
150335 Nero/Beige (RHD) X Australia
150338 Rosso Corsa/Beige
150345 Nero/Nero X
150346 Rosso Corsa/Nero w Rosso inserts X
150549 Nero Daytona/Nero X
150551 Grigio Silverstone/Beige X
150620 Rosso Corsa/Nero X
150621 Nero/Nero X
150861 Grigio Silverstone/Nero X
150863 Nero Daytona/Nero X
150866 Blu Mirabeau/Crema
151006 Nero Daytona/Nero (Euro RHD) X UK
151275 Nero/Nero X
151277 Rosso Corsa/Beige X
151564 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) Bahrain
151849 Rosso Corsa/Beige w Rosso inserts X
151850 Blu/Tan ?
152365 Rosso Rubino/Beige X
152366 Rosso Corsa/Beige X
152969 Grigio Silverstone/Beige (Euro) X Italy
153027 Grigio Silverstone/Beige
153378 Rosso Scuderia/Crema X
153722 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) X UK
156075 Rosso Scuderia/Beige (Euro) x Czechia
156243 Grigio Titanio met/Beige (Euro) X Netherlands
157523 Nero/Charcoal (Euro) X Germany
157988 Verde inglese/Nero (Euro) Germany
158461 Rosso Fiorano/Beige X
159182 Blu Note or Blu Inverno/Rosso (Castriota's one-off) X
159626 Rosso Corsa/Beige, now Pale Blue/ Purple one-off Zagato re-body (US specs, in Euro now) X France (UK reg.)
159976 Argento Nürburgring/Rosso-Nero X
160180 Blu Mirabeau/Beige (Euro) X Spain ( for sale Paris 02/2023)
162942 Blu Pozzi/Beige X
162945 Blu Tdf/Blu (Euro) X Netherlands
164473 Nero/Nero (Euro) Germany
166663 Vinaccia/Beige (Euro) X Italy
167583 Grigio Titanio/Grigio (Euro) X Netherlands
167772 Nero/Beige X
167984 Rosso Corsa/Nero (Euro) X Germany
170628 Nero/Nero X
172283 Rosso Fuoco/Beige X
182296 Nero Daytona/Beige X
182599 Nero/Nero X
187007 Rosso Corsa/Nero with Rosso inserts (Euro RHD Hgte) Hong Kong
187008 Rosso Scuderia/Charcoal with Rosso inserts (Euro RHD Hgte) X Hong Kong
Total: 49
20 Euro/Asia/Australia + 29 USA


Are we sure about particulars of #187007 ?
All the cars with a mark X are known, the others are not confirmed (so far), countries mentioned are only the last place known, if no mention = USA
We may have one more with Middle East specs ZFFFD60T...

 

Sell your 575 and buy this one, it's maybe be better IF it's not a conversion

https://www.hemmings.com/classifieds/cars-for-sale/ferrari/575-maranello/2555320.html

 

this shows how difficult the price of conversion is !
For sale in May at $479,900 then in August (thru an other party) at $475,000 then lowered at $429,950 nearly 3 months ago

 

$429,950 ??????????? I think there is a lot of dreamers on this earth.... and the conversion to manual transmission has become a real business these days, it's becoming more profitable and less dangerous than selling drugs.....
Each of us is looking to make money but making so much money so easily by doing a simple conversion is ridiculous. And whoever buys is even more ridiculous unless he's a millionaire and doesn't care about losing... But if I was a millionaire, I'd buy an original one for sure.
And if I'm not a millionaire, I'm not dumb enough to spend $429,950 for a fake. I buy a 599 F1 and have it converted myself for 50 or $60,000