599 GTB in Car mag-

Is it possible to post scan or pics of better resolution?? thanks a lot

 

Too bad the styling is so un-inspiring, aka ugly.

Seems to have alot of push in corners looking at the pic, typical for a front engine car, when will Ferrari make its flagship car mid engined as it should be and stunning to look at?

 

" the 599 Fiorano may soon become to be known as the finest all-around Ferrari ever "

 

Uninspiring? Read Gordon Murray's styling analysis in the current Road & Track. An informed individual with a keen and intelligent eye who comes up with a totally different take.

 

I don't believe magazine tests at all anymore, back when they gave honest opinions years ago but now so much $$ is at stake with advertising and getting the cars to test before the competition its way too biased like I am sure this article is.

Even the employees at Ferrari had a nickname for the 599 calling it a fat ugly Supra that says it all as well IMO.

I have 2 eyes and don't need some magazine tester who more than likely doesn't own a ferrari tell me whats beautiful or not.

 

I call bull5hit. Most employees at Ferrari don't know what a Supra is, or care.
Prove it, or STFU. So d4mn sick of the "supra/Vette/d0uchebag car" comparos, then a sweeping blatantly false comment like yours.
I hear employees at Ferrari think you're an asshat.
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Do you have the magazine? If so, PLEASE scan or take pictures of it! I'd love to read Murray's opinion of it

 

Here's another thread confirming what i have heard from Italy.

http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=105201&page=3

I'll bet the employees at Ferrari who designed this ugly car think I am an asshat including anyone else that agrees this car is ugly, what else can they say to save face.

 

I'll reserve final judgement when I see the 599 in person, no denying the performance is fantastic though for a front engine car.

 

Since the engine, in the 599, is behind the front axels, it acturally IS a mid-engined car, and behaves so.

And if not, whats wrong with Enzo as being a flagship?

Sfumato,

Agreed!

BTW. The 599 is just a beauty... Why sould certan employees at Ferrari have the perfect right taste? It doesen't matter FFS.

 

Yeah lets split hairs, the engine is in front of the driver thats why its pushing severely in the photo or call it what it is understeer. It behaves like a true mid engine car, right. I can tell you have never been in a mid engine Ferrari.

Mid engine race configuration, if the engine placement in front of the driver was truly superior it would be utilized in F1 cars for the ultimate perfomance.

A comment saying the employees at Ferrari don't know what is a Supra is ludicrous, what are they bike riding peasants? I guarantee they know as much about cars as anyone

 

Irrespective of what you hear, the fact that you refer to Gordon Murray, the most prolific F1 designer of all time and the individual behind every facet of the Mclaren F1 and who is most emphatically not a tester for any magazine, shows that you are ignorant. Read carefully, I did not say stupid. Just IGNORANT!
By the way, Ferrari people who really count, Montezemolo, Benolo, et al, LOVE this design. They had a number of choices, this is the one that represents what Ferrari is all about. When you do see it in the flesh - and I suggest you stop commenting on the looks until you do so - your opinion may mean something.

 

As I said who cares about various comments from so called expert car testers, Gordon Murray, so what he designed McLaren what does that have to do with Ferrari at all?

My comments concerned its looks not performance, I don't expect the 599 to look radically different than its pictures which I have seen plenty of, the same can be said with other Ferraris as well for instance the 612 in the flesh didn't look any different than its photos nor do any other Ferraris I have seen.

Of course the officers at Ferrari like this car they made it, what else could they say,
concerning how this car represents what Ferrari is about most think its a major disappointment concerning its design except those wanting to buy one, the design simply is not stunning as many other Ferrari supercars were called when first introduced by everyone not just the media, sorry I am not a blind follower with anything with a Ferrari badge and heres a shocker for you my opinion means just as much as yours.

 

JP, I am a Maranello owner and I was also disappointed when I saw the first pics of the 599. Then I saw it in the metal in Geneva... I sat inside it... I looked at it from every possible angle... and now my opinion is TOTALLY changed. I think it's gorgeous. Believe me, pictures don't do justice to the shape and exquisite detailing of the 599. The only thing I'm not so keen on are the rear lights (I would have preferred them twinned rather than single) but otherwise, when seen in the metal the car is a STUNNER.

I don't ask you to believe me, or anyone else. Just go to your nearest dealer as soon as they get one. I bet you a bottle of Barolo that you'll change your mind.

 

The mid-engine flagship is the Enzo.

But for production cars the Testaross and 512BB were exception and their sales figures spoke for themselves. Ferrari will never do that again.

As for the car's lines, be patient before you proclaim it ugly. It is sophisticated and decidedly more involved than any other Ferrari except for the Enzo. And it is decidedly unlike any Vette or Toyota. The only regular car that could be said to bare some resemblance to it is the Infiniti Q35 Coupe, which is s a very beautiful car. But the Infiniti is still a nursery rhyme compared to the 599's Coltrane solo.

To me it is an artistic and an engineering achievement, leaps and bounds beyond the beautiful and impressive Maranello line.

And for the British press to sing its praises says a great deal.

You'll see. Then again, you may not. LOL.


Forza,



Cavallini

 

I'll have mine in Yellow or Grigio Argento .

 

I think a friend of a patient who bla bla bla is not gospel.
And BTW, people said the Maranello looked like a Supra too. We all know how that panned out.
And Ferrari workers really don't care or know what a Supra is. Since you're such a font of knowledge of the workers of F SpA based on a noob's patients friend, perhaps you can tell us how many Supras are in Italy? Were they even imported? I know the answer. Since you can't prove your first assertion, perhaps you can prove your second?
And the understeer was only seen in one video. I have 5 videos that show lurid powerslides. Car and Driver lacked skill to save the rebound and whacked a wall.
And Stephenson and PF designed the 599. Ken Oyukama and PF did the Enzo.
Buy a 430 and enjoy it if you like mid-engined. But don't assert M/E is superior based on racecars. Street cars aren't racecars, and I don't use my 12's like I used my 360. But both are equally competent.
And you and other's incessant bleating about the appearance when you have no intention of buying one, new or otherwise, is idiotic.
People thought the 250LM was ugly, the Daytona, the 308. You don't remember the whining about a V8 called a Ferrari.
So I don't like broccoli, but some do. They're not stupid for liking it, or seeing it your way.

I think he needs to hit his banker first. And I too have a shark, and have decided this is the first "real car" supercar. Been on the list since before my 5yo was born. Will likely keep the Shark too Took a 300mile drive in it today, no cops, easily 150 miles @ or well above 100. Does as well as my 360 did on real roads.
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Is there any scans with better resolution?? thanks

 

Ahhh, always a pleasure to read your posts! HAHAHAHAHA

This was the highlight of my day

 

Sorry, do not have a scanner. R&T should be on newstands now.

 

Look, the opinion of people such as Gordon Murray is much more germaine than the supposed comments of an existing or made up existence of some lower ranking ferrari worker, (On that count I am firmly of the belief that it is totally facricated by those who have a particular axe to grind and cannot make a reasonable argument on their own) for the very reason that good design INSPIRES the professionals who take cues forward. Reading a technical analysis of the design gives you and me an idea of the technical issues that had to be resolved so that the car functions as the engineers intended.
On top of that, it is the opinion of many of us who have actually seen and been in the car, that Pininfarina (Jason Castriota specifically - who also designed the Birdcage and Glickenhaus' "Enzo Re-imagined")has hit an absolute bulls-eye. This is the first Ferrari in a long time that looks great in any color and from any angle - and- it does so without repeating the looks of the past but paying omage to them at the same time.
By the way, IMHO, the single tail lights look great!

 

But of course you understand that no magazine is influenced by the advertising dollars spent by Ferrari as Ferrari does not advertise its cars so that argument is totally baseless....

 

I was weighing in on whether to say something or not... but thanks to Sfumato, I no longer have to. Haha... I love when 'credible' information comes from another linked post asserting knowledge from a 'friend of a friend'. As to the asshat comment earlier in this thread... haha, that is definitely going in my daily vocabulary.