on a dry Top Gear track http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311891
The GTO is faster at Fiorano with real professional drivers. Top Gear is entertainment only. Taz Terry Phillips
For Top Gear to show comparison lap times of cars with different drivers tell you this show is purely for entertainment only and nothing more. Top gear lap times were never accurate. There is only wet and dry. Damp and heavy rain are all labeled as "wet." Most cars get either a wet or dry time, but the DBS goes out on a wet track and Jeremy pulled out a dry lap time from his a$$ (no video) and stuck it on the board.
1 second faster, using much better tires, the Michelin Pilot Super Sport in 285 and 315 sizes. the Scuderia came with lame, slow and skinny Pirelli Corsa System 235 and 285. Put the Scuderia on the same tires as the 599 GTO, and the Scuderia will change the results. Put the 458 Italia on those same 599 GTO tires and the Italia will lap faster than the 599 GTO as well. Now, if the track test is just on straight line, yes the 599 GTO is faster than the Italia and Scuderia.
Ben Collins was a professional driver was he not? Why is it that "only" the ferrari drivers are real and professional drivers?! Not to mention its a comparison, nothing more. If you liek the car, buy it, but no reason to get butt hurt over how it does on an entertaining show.
but the track test isn't in a straight line .... whatever ot appears the 599 GTO isn't up to the job for the money, as it should be massively faster
Rad- Who cares? And if you put racing slicks on one of them, it will be faster. The Scud came with the Corsas and the GTO came with the Bridgestones and the stock GTO is faster than the stock Scud around Fiorano with professional drivers. What happens to either of them after you perform modifications is not the question. Taz Terry Phillips
While the GTO may be slower around a twisty track, so what? Who cares? Its a cool car and if you've bought one I don't think you'd really care about a few miliseconds. On the results, I actually do believe the GTO would be slower than the 430 Scuderia at the Dunsfold Aerodrome (Top gear test track) but thats mainly attributed to its girth. Lets face it the kerb weight of the GTO vs the Scud is the major factor here. The 599 GTO is a stonking 1/4 of a tonne h-e-a-v-i-e-r. No matter how much power and tech you put into a car it cannot overcome the laws of physics. That weight still needs to shift around, speed up and slow down. Most of the extra hp is just going to spinng up those extra pounds.
Trev- Could be. Fiorano is pretty tight, too. LeMans might be a different thing, especially since the GTO has Gen 2 Brembos vs the Gen 1 on the Scud. Both are bloody fast and I would not mind having either if I could afford one. Taz Terry Phillips
It's more than just putting bigger tires on these cars. Otherwise, all sports cars would be fitted with 325 plus size tires. For those who track should know, smaller tracks such as Fiorano or Top Gear track (not even a real track) favor the lighter cars. Put these cars on larger tracks such as Fuji Speedway, and the results will be different.
Does anyone want my GTO? It will be arriving soon and I don't want it anymore because it is too slow.
I tested a new GTO in my local track 2 weeks ago and i really dint like it. Power was insane but cornering sucks felt heavy and the rear very unstable ...
A mid-engined car should be faster on lots of tracks. Otherwise Ferrari would be making their F150 with the engine in front of the driver. As I've said before calling the 599 GTO a GTO is just wrong. It might have lots of technology but it has the engine at the wrong end to be considered a tour-de-force. All previous GTO's have been at the peek of current technology and designed to win REAL races (not just playing amongst my Ferrari mates all in the same car). I'd buy a Scud too if I wanted a track tool. If I wanted a cool front engined Ferrari for the track I'd buy a 250SWB. I definitely would not buy a 599 GTO thinking I had bought the best ever track weapon. Pete ps: Put the 599 GTO engine in a Scud and on all tracks it would destroy it, surely.
Really? Viper ACR, GT-R, LF-A, Z06, ZR1, GT3RS, GT2RS and you get the idea. Mid-engined cars in the old days have better weight distribution compared with other layouts, but many car manufacturers such as BMW and even Chevy have made FR layouts with 50/50 weight distributions now.
Pete- Seems to me the 250 GTO was front engined and that is where they got the name. And it was just a souped up version of the 250 GT with coil helper springs at the rear and a light-weight body. Sound familiar? Taz Terry Phillips
Yes really. Show me a modern F1 car with the engine infront of the driver. Respectively silly post Terry. The 250GTO was the best technology at the time for GT cars. Times have changed. We know the 599GTO is not the best current technology, which is why Audi (for example) do not race a car with the engine in front of the driver at Le Mans, neither does Bentley. Also AGAIN the 250GTO was made to win real races. The 599GTO was made to sell of the last of the 599 series. I'll take the 250GTO thanks. I just wish Ferrari would just make race cars and road cars instead of trying to pretend that their road cars can be race cars. In the old days they did this (think Testa Rossas, etc.) and it made a lot more sense. Pete
don't forget Polar Moment of Inertia.... mid engine cars turn in better and are more predictable and stable at the limit (assuming a similar weight distribution).
