Less then 7 minutes according official Ferrari documents. Fiorano: 1'17 In both cases with slicks I assume.
Fantastic car, obviously, and as I said, truly one of the world's greats...the numbers for the P4/5, esp VMax with that level of quickness, are cutting edge. What is the gearing? Long ratio 1st--so no shift needed to 100kph, then tight ratio 2/3/4 with normal 5 and big 6 overdrive? (btw: that's how my GT3 was re-geared and it was almost perfect, well, except for gov't fuel economy drills...) To that point, the 599 GTO has a close ratio box and apparently Vmax of 1-2 mph faster than Enzo (surely due to higher rev limit) however, it'll never touch 233 mph--almost nothing that rolls could. But, it is said to be quicker to 100 kph, 100 mph and 150 mph than Enzo--so its no slouch off line or through mid range. It may or may not clip the ACR...that's a very interesting question, esp based on what the 599xx was apparently clocking before it grabbed the armco. As for, 0-100 kph, I believe the factory says less than 3.4 sec--but actual number will need testing. And 0-100 mph-0, the so called "Ruf" test, is also unknown esp with nxt gen cc's and donuts on the car. Finally, the tires are much wider than standard issue and assumed to be SP "Cup" class, ie "street legal" almost-slicks--at least no one can complain that they need changing in order for it to be fair. No matter, I think an unbiased test sounds like something fun...I'm going lobby Evo guys on idea of "real world" Ferrari super car test as soon as its released, ie Enzo, F50, F40, 288 against 599 GTO...you interested?
Paul- The 0-100mph-0 test was actually started by Aston Martin with the DB-4, IIRC, and resurrected by Ken Miles in a 427 Cobra. Never heard it called a "Ruf" test, because they came long afterwards. Jim- I think the 599 GTO vs Viper ACR will be pretty much a toss-up. The Ferrari with more power and brakes and the Viper with lighter weight. Plenty fast, at any rate. Would really love to see your competition P4/5 run a 24 hour race. Should make one hell of a racket. Any of the FXX tweaks you can use? Guess I should read your thread instead of asking dumb questions. Taz Terry Phillips
Terry. Thanks for info...I've called it the "RUF test" because the Yellow Bird's performance in this test was apparently one of the reasons it was called "world's fastest production car" many years ago...also, when I was at RUF factory discussing a purchase in 2000, they quoted various cars' performance to me including this factor--which they said in their opinion was one of most important non track measure available on true performance...of course, RUF's cars generally landed at the top of the catagory
I see your point, but I don't like all that "stuff". 99% of Ferrari's are quicker with the aids turned off, and IMO that is how it should be. It almost says the car is not as "perfect" as it should be, even with the best driver. So we added some "nannies" to help compensate.
Great minds think alike. On a side note, don't get me wrong. I am sure this will be an awesome car, I just don't like the "super nannies".
But have you driven a car with these latest "super nannies"? A close friend drove the 599XX at Fiorano and said that he was very, very impressed with the traction control, suspension, ... . GTO will be equipped with the same systems. I think we need to come to terms with the fact that "nannies" are now an integral part of any new car and that the nannies are now at such a level that they add tremendously to the overall driving sensation. I won't judge till I've driven mine but based on what I have seen and heard from the engineers during the presentation at Maranello ... I'm excited. Very excited. I hope the car will live up to my expectations but based on what I have seen ... I think I'll have a big smile on my face every time I start the engine.
I just got into this thread and read every post carefully. It is hard to argue with respected members like Napolis and DM18. I had these exact thoughts and nearly pulled my order twice. However I would like to offer a few thoughts: - Wind the clock back to 1984. How many of you thought the 288GTO was worthy of the badge. Would you have included it in the Supercars section of this website? I know I nearly vomited when I saw the name they picked for it and now, 25 years later, I am trying very hard to buy a nice low mileage example I found the other day. Times change The 288GTO was a lovely car, it just needed time for us to figure it out and who cares about the name. The F40 is a much more important car in my view and the F50 a better driver than either, but it is still worth less than a top 288 For DM18 -who I believe likes Porsches like me-, who would have thought 993RSs would become so collectible? I sold a perfect Riviera Blue one-owner car with 11,000km for $200,000! Now we all know it is the best air-cooled 911, but once again it took time to figure it out -The name discussion is a polite way of saying "how much will my car depreciate over the next few years"? The answer is "quite a bit, although not as much as the stock 599". 288s didn't do well price-wise for the first 20 years and they were a lot cheaper to start with. Also older members here remember that some 250GTOs were street-parked in the 70s. - The 599GTO will be a terrific road-car. It will be far more usable than a F40/F50/Enzo and even 288 and probably faster in the real-world. It will also be safer. It will not be an instant classic, but it is silly to assume we know how people will see it 20 years from now. It is NOT a 550 Barchetta, 16M or a 575 Superamerica (with respect to Napolis). Those cars were built for poseurs and did not push the performance envelope in any way. IT IS in the same spirit as the 360 CS and 430 Scuderia and I am happy for that. Both are great cars and I think the 360CS will be very collectable. The Scuderia is hampered by the 2500 examples made, but I would love to keep mine for a while. - The 599GTO will probably not race. As Napolis correctly points out, the days of racing your daily driver are over, so the discussion is probably redundant. Does that mean Ferrari should never use the name again? I am not sure. In summary, the 599GTO is an exciting Ferrari, it might be sought after 20 years from now (so somebody else will probably enjoy the profit) and those of us that can afford to spend the money (and some of us that really shouldn't) should do so. And let's hope we get a slot on the Enzo replacement...Life without Ferrari is no life at all!
Good Post. I agree that Ferrari will consider the 599 GTO, 16M, and the 612 what ever (The one that borrowed Peter's Kappa roof) as a prerequisite for the Enzo replacement. Everyone should make themselves happy and worry less about rock chips and what will happen in 20 years. Best
I have to defend my fellow "poseurs." Having owned 4 Ferraris, and two Porsches, I need to make a point. I have never owned a red car because my wife refused to ride in them. I love Red, especially in a Ferrari, because it shows the lines so well, but I have yet to own a red car. My cars have been subtle colors, which tend to be discreet, not loud. Do you know how hard it is to find an F-50 in a color other than red? I did--a few years back--and then I sold the car too soon, and I miss that car like heck. I would suggest that, as a percentage, there are as many poseurs who own 599s, 430s, 3x8s, and every other Ferrari as there are who own Barchettas and Superamericas. I own a Barchetta for one simple reason and several complex reasons. Simply: I love to drive and the car is amazing. The complex reasons include this: The first time I saw the 550 Maranello, I though it was an instant classic--and I just imagined the car without a roof. The Barchetta was my answer. I owned a 355 Spyder. Wonderful car; bullet proof (except for the original headers). The performance difference between that and the V-12 of the Barchetta is something to behold. I don't consider myself a poseur. The people I know who own Barchettas and Superamericas would not be classified as poseurs--they are fellow enthusiasts who love open air V-12s. Now, when I owned the Porsche, my wife and I drove up to a restaurant to meet some friends. When they saw me get out of the car, my wife's friend said to her, "Your husband has a Porsche? Sorry to hear about his penis." (True story.)
you mean you can own a Ferrari without being nervous and uptight about it?!? Well, this changes everything
Ooooops. My fault...The insult was totally unintended...I must apologize for the bad choice of words. All I meant was that the Barchetta was not a more advanced car than the 550, the Superamerica did not revolutionize the 575 and the 16M -lovely as it is- was a lightweight racecar made a bit heavier. It doesn't make them bad cars, I would very happily own all three, but then I am known to be a bit of a poseur (LOL)! George P.S. Having lived in London for many years, I am acutely aware of the image problem of the average Porsche driver. However I would be surprised if you drove a Carrera GT, a 993GT2 or a 993RS and didn't come away thinking these are tremendously satisfying cars.
George, I did not take offence. I understand the nuance of language, but I did want to take the change to "defend" those of us who like open-air V-12s. I wasn't barking at you, as much as I was trying to persuade you to appreciate these cars as much as I do. And, I take your comment on "special" Porsches with the proper amount of respect. I have driven both the RS and the GT2, and you could never--I mean never--confuse these with a Boxter or the standard 911. They are more than satisfying.
Understand your line of thinking but do not agree. 2010 traction control will always win over any right foot trying to control the power. An F1 car is perfect and certainly has the best driver but it would be impossible to drive fast without electronics. I have a Formula Renault with zero nannies and that gives me all of the thrills that I can handle. It makes me admire all the more the traction control of the Scud. Only way an underpowered overweight Scud can match the mighty Enzo is via electronics. The cars that I feel are inherently compromised in terms of chassis dynamics and overly reliant on electronics are the AMG MB's. The days of Ferrari's being quicker with aids off than on are over Dude. Of course ASR on a 550 was slower and it is agricultural classic car by today's standards. Personally I am happy that electronics have advanced at the rate that they are.
I don't mind having the aids, just not a fan when I hear the car is quicker with them off. Even Ferrari has said this is the first car to be like that. I have an SCCA license, and consider myself a good driver. I just prefer a more raw car. We can agree to disagree, it's cool.
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Wanted to add my thanks for a defining and well thought out post...And, note that I agree on nearly all points...as I've said, let's enjoy the car boys, its the culmination of a special effort which many of us have been "asking" for Ferrari to undertake for a long time. In 20 years few that buy the car new will still own it...but we'll always be able to say (as you've pointed out like those that bought other "special cars" upon release re: 250, 288, F50/F40 or 993RS/550 Spyder, etc)--that we owned and enjoyed one at the start .
